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Another year, same result: SEC/Big-12 OOC scheduling cowards, Pac-10 AD's are idiots

Re-Bumped. anh_79 rewrote this excellent post...P

We looked at OOC scheduling philosophy and how it impacts voters perception last year before the season kicked off. At the end of the regular season, our predictions pretty much came true. Not only that, we were able to explain why computers loved ACC, even though ACC didn't really stand out as a premier conference.

Well, now that 2009 OOC schedule is finalized, it's time to look at the OOC scheduling philosophy and how it impacts the average W/L record, bowl eligibility, voter perception. Our analysis produced the following expected average W/L record for a team in the conference, overall winning % (including conference games) for the conference and OOC winning %.

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The following conclusions from last year, remain true in 2009 as well

- SEC/Big-12 teams schedule OOC games like cowards and inflate their records by pathetic OOC scheduling. Out of 4 conferences (B12, BT, ACC, SEC) that have 4 OOC games and out of 3 conferences that have 12 teams, SEC/Big-12 have with easiest OOC schedules which subsequently inflates their overall W/L record

- Because of the above, SEC/Big-12 teams manage to have more bowl eligibile teams than other conferences creating appearance of a strong league (which is partially justified (in case of SEC) and partially illusion (in case of Big Ten and Big-12))

- ACC teams do schedule relatively tough OOC games, but they suffer from numerous cases of double-Div-IAA scheduling

- While Big East does schedule relatively tough OOC games, the toughness of OOC games is diluted by the fact that they have to play 5 OOC games.

- Pac-10 AD's just don't get it. They try to do the right thing when everyone does the wrong thing. But if they were familiar with Prisoner's Dillemma concept, they'd know that doing the right thing when everyone cheats will hurt you a lot. Pac-10 teams hurt themselves on 2 ends: one one hand by scheduling 3 OOC games as opposed to 4, they guarantee 5 losses for Pac-10 teams and in addition, scheduling tough OOC opponents results in lower expected winning % in OOC games. As a result, an average Pac-10 team is expected to have 1 less win and 1 more loss than an average SEC/Big-12. That really hurts the conference when it comes to bowl eligibility and top-25 voting.

I hope voters consider this analysis before they rush to declare Big-12/SEC as kings and ACC/Pac-10 as peasants of CFB in 2009. Just because every SEC/Big-12 team starts 4-0 in OOC, doesn't mean that the league is strong.

More on methodology as well as individual conference analysis after the jump.

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Ok, what's the methodology? Similar to last years, but I made few changes following some feedback to incorporate neutral site games, championship game in 12 team conferences as well as adjust weights for home/away games so that the result adds up to 100%.

Every game is assigned a probability of winning - from 100% for a home game against a cupcake to 35% for an away game against BCS conference team (including ND). Now a cupcake is defined as an FCS school or non-elite mid-major. There is little bit of subjectivity involved when I defined what is an elite mid-major. For argument's sake I picked 10 most respected non-BCS teams coming into this season. They are:

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This list is bit subjective: I didn't include any Sun Belt teams, it could be argued that Air Force, Colorado State, Southern Miss or Rice belong there, but the end result is not strongly impacted if you amend the list. Anyway, I included teams that in my opinion are significantly better than a bottom tier BCS school (like Duke, Wazzu, Indiana, Miss State etc).

The expected likelihood of winning is as below:

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I believe those numbers are reasonable and make sense. They could be twisted a bit, but I don't think changing numbers will alter the results and conclusions that much.

So here are the results by each conference:

SEC 

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As expected, the coward conference (I am sorry, I mean essseeeseee, the Gods gift to CFB) comes out on top of expected wins per team ranking, with only Georgia having a very difficult OOC schedule. SEC teams are expected to win nearly 84% of their OOC games and it's not because the league is strong (for example, LSU has only 35% chance of beating UW in Seattle in this calculation), but because of its scheduling philosophy. Most of the OOC schedules are laughable (hello Ole Miss). Personally, I really don't understand why pay $100 to see your team trounce Jackson State or Western Carolina, but that's just me.

Big-12

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Usual offenders - Texas schools. Only Oklahoma is expected to win less than 75% of its OOC games in this analysis. Looks like Big-12 North teams continue to follow Bill Snyder's philosophy of scheduling cupcakes and getting to bowl games.

ACC

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The bigest problem with ACC scheduling is abundance of FCS schools. What's with the State of North Carolina? NC State, Duke, and North Carolina are playing 2 FCS schools each!!! On the other hand, there are plenty of interesting OOC games. GA Tech (toughest schedule among ACC schools) plays 3 teams from the SEC.

 

Big East

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 Big East plays 5 OOC games and it's not easy to say how it impacts the W/L record. On one hand, the conference members could schedule 5 OOC games against cupcakes and just need 1 conference win to be bowl eligible. On the other hand, the conference suffers from not being taken seriously. Wise OOC scheduling could really improve Big East's reputation and as far as I can see, the conference members are trying to schedule decent OOC games. Some teams need to cut down on FCS schools (yes Rutgers, you).

  Big Ten

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The laughing stock among BCS conferences never learns. Big Ten keeps scheduling cupcakes (82% expected winning % in OOC schedules) and continues to get destroyed in the bowl season. At least the AD's know the rules of the game. Schedule as much cupcakes as possible, win 2 conference games and get bowl eligible. Doesn't matter if Big Ten goes 1-6 in the bowl games. They still send 7 teams bowling. Big Ten needs to add some meaningful OOC games (and win them!) to be taken seriously. Man up and play some SEC schools!


Pac-10

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Oh yeah, the Pac-10, the real men of genius. The conference of masochist AD's, the conference previously led by the biggest tool in BCS world - Tom Hansen, the conference of self-proclaimed righteous heros, the conference of "we do things right, but no one notices" fans (INCLUDING MYSELF!!!). Hey AD's, lets keep scheduling 3 OOC games when no one else does. Never mind that 9th conference game guarantees 5 additional losses for the conference, thus diminishing any chances of having 6 or 7 bowl eligible teams or getting that second damn team to a BCS game. Never mind that since inception of 9th conference game, Pac-10 hasn't had 2 BCS teams, while Big Ten (while being a joke of a conference) regularly gets 2 teams in BCS almost every year. Lets keep scheduling tough OOC games and then wonder why we only have 5 teams in the post-season. If only Pac-10 AD's sat down and went through the numbers... Oh well, that's a wishful thinking

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Isn't funny how Nestor gets all excited when ucla gets commits 3 star

I think he must be turning Japanese over these young mens ohhhhh nooo

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 24, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Congrats A!

Ted Miller linked this as did Dr. Saturday.

Miller didn’t like your comments about Hansen though…

by Paragon SC on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah! We're famous!

J/K.

I totally disagree with Ted Miller, but my reply with be based on a factual study of Hansen’s shortcomings. So watch for another “diathribe” on why Hansen sucks in near future. :)

by anh_sc79 on Jun 26, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of bashing Tom Hansen, gotta love this gem from Mushroom

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2009/6/27/927591/sweet-bruin-dream-route-66

To date I still believe because of Tom Hansen’s ineptness we were shut out of a BCS game that season (having to settle for the Cotton Bowl victory against Texas A&M). I knew in my heart after that game and what we did rest of the season, we were the best team in the country. We would have taken care of Michigan (the national champions of that season at the Rose Bowl

Shows how much the guy actually knows since:

The 1998 Rose Bowl was the 84th Rose Bowl game and was played on January 1, 1998 at the Rose Bowl Stadium in Pasadena, California, was a college football bowl game. The game featured Michigan beating Washington State by a score of 21–16. Brian Griese was named the Rose Bowl Player of the Game. This was the last year that the Rose Bowl was not part of the Bowl Championship Series

…there was no BCS in 1997 season. The bRuins were co-champs who lost head-to-head to Wazzu and Wazzu played Michigan as a result. Oh well.

Funny that the bRuins need to re-live wins from the last century to feel relevant in football.

by anh_sc79 on Jun 29, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow I was living in Vegas in the late 90s and remember they had some pretty good teams.

The thing is that 97 team was good but they lost the first 2 (WSU being first game) then lost to Tenn, but they then beat texas 66-3 wow. After first 2 they win 10 in a row (with houston in mix basically a 1aa class team) ending with A&M, the rule was at the time Pac-10 winner vs. Big 10 winner what does festor expect. Then the 98 team goes 10-0 (basically 20-0) then looses last 2 that year, but to say they would of had an National Champ is a wish and that only. You know the funny thing is they were calling for Toledo’s head and got it, and know look what they have a PIPE DREAM.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 29, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way to go anh_sc79!

Very thorough and thoughtful post. I haven’t commented because on this because it stands alone. Practically nothing to add. Solid work, great comments, and I agree 100% with ALL OF IT!

THANKS BUDDY!

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by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 25, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally had time to appreciate your fine work anh_sc79, Fight On!

I hope everyone in the Pac-10 reads this and understands the damage we do to ourselves year in and year out. The Pac-10 has been setting a righteous standard that everyone else chooses to ignore or even deride.

Two years ago Pete Carroll said the BCS is only about being attractive. In the BCS beauty pageant the SEC and Big-12 work the system to always look pretty, while the Pac-10 stupidly bloodies itself to ugly irrelevance.

Mark my words, the day will come when an unbeaten Pac-10 team will be deemed “not worthy” and passed over in favor of a one loss Big-12 team or a two loss SEC team. Tom Hansen may not be a tool, but he is certainly a fool.

Here’s a reminder of some recent BCS train wrecks:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3403882

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 28, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes it was good to see someone else saw what I saw at the end of last year.

Some pretty easy games for those so called power players, Florida what a joke and even sec teams are not that great. So I guess pac-10 needs to start playing all lower division conf. teams.
 Of course it didn’t help that UW, WSU, Ucla, had completely bad years Stanford is starting to get better and maybe the bottom 3 will pick it up. My only Question is does Brymen and ITT Tech have teams, and maybe we could get the Victoria Secret team on all Pac-10 sch.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 28, 2009 5:59 AM PDT reply actions  

HA!

Love the responses over on OU Insider

Think they are little sensitive on the lack of SoS outside of the B12

by Paragon SC on Jun 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

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