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The Kevin O'Neill era starts today...

So we have had almost 48 hours to digest the news that Kevin O'Neill will be our next basketball coach.

Like it or not...

It is obviously still too early to know what the ramifications will be with hire but as I said over the weekend the wasteland that is USC basketball was not going to get us a top fight coach. I have been reading and participating on some of the message boards and the consensus is that many USC fans want to give O'Neill a chance and now that he is named as our coach we need to get behind him and support him. I am fine with that. The decision is made and there isn't anything we can do about it. I also refuse to act like other websites did when coaches were hired that the fan base vehemently disagreed with. That gets us nowhere. We are where we are and there is nothing we will can do to change it so we need to just deal with it.

The road ahead is still going to be very rough but that should not be a surprise to anyone.

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Kevin O'Neill has not made it easy on himself with his personality traits so to me this is the perfect opportunity for him to prove to the masses that he has indeed changed as he claims. Sadly, expectations at SC are now pretty low. O'Neill has an opportunity to start a new chapter in his coaching career and perform better than expected...it certainly won't take much.

The first big question is who is going to be on his staff? Wolf reported on his blog this morning that O'Neill told all the assistants that they will be allowed to return next season. That does not mean that they will return only that they can return if they choose to do so. I guess that makes sense, with prime recruiting season right around the corner trying to put your own staff together this late in the game could be difficult. The second thing would be to see if O'Neill could get any of the recruits back that decommitted or who were released from the LOI. I do not have much faith in that happening but he has to make the effort.

Today's press conference will be interesting to say the least. You know some interesting questions will be thrown out. I won't be able to see it as it happens but hopefully it will be online to watch later. I am sure O'Neill will the rounds on the local radio programs so when they become available I will post them up.

Here are a few more interesting reads that have popped up around the internet.

Kevin O’Neill Returns to the Pac-10 - The Quad Blog - NYTimes.com
Here is the NYT's take

Kevin O’Neill takes over troubled USC program " To The Tin
Here is some more...

Kicking Lettuce - An Intriguing Hire
This is also a reasonable take

The Big Blue Daily Mail - A Sea Of Blue
Here is a brief take on the hire from SBN's Kentucky Blog

USC hires... Kevin O'Neill? - CougCenter
And one from SBN's Wazzu blog...

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This will turn out alright!

Look Kevin is in his 50s and this will be a last chance to prove who he is, and I am betting he will make it. This program is so RAW right now it is ready for a long time coach to put it together along with his own personal life. On keeping the staff that TF had, it is one of the best and I hope most stick around.

One thing I like about this dude is that he isn’t so pompous that he thinks he is to good for a program heading for NCAA sanctions. Those other coaches that didn’t want to take the chance they can take the flying leap as far as I am concerned. Thanks Kevin O. for taking the chance of a lifetime.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 22, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh well...

He’s our guy now so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Let’s just hope he’s mellowed out, because if he hasn’t USC will be his last job too.

Per Wolf we have some quasi-confirmation that the Administration was not comfortable with Theus:

“If his (Theus’) stint at New Mexico State was any indication, player arrests and a lousy APR were likely.”

I don’t think the word “likely” is appropriate, but K.O. will run a much tighter ship. If K.O. lands a couple of three star players per year (that are willing to stick it out for four years), we’ll be half decent and basketball will not be a source of embarrassment for University. That said, we have just signed our very own Treaty of Versailles.

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m curious about the analogy – how so is this a Treaty of Versailles?

by DC Trojan on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unconditional surrender

This week marks the 90th anniversary of the treaty, so it came to mind.

Not the greatest analogy but the NCAA has crushed USC basketball. The imposition of K.O. will only allow us to reach a moderate level of relevance because we will not be able to “rearm” with high profile recruits. That’s as far as it goes.

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 22, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fair – I wasn’t seeing it, but that was my issue, not the analogy.

by DC Trojan on Jun 22, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KO Steps Up

I really admire his attitude. He enthusiastically jumps into a building on fire. Low salary, other coaches running from it, some ridicule from the press, and KO embraces the opportunity. At the very least, he has big balls.

by DFWTrojan on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tommy's!

I know, the silly bruins sure are fun to tweak. Their level of hatred is almost frightening though. Those guys would make good Islamic extremists….blind faith in their ideology.

by DFWTrojan on Jun 22, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh...

That is an interesting image…it fits too as you don’t how close that is.

by Paragon SC on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny you should say that

to me it also seems as if they are fighting a Jihad against us.

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I agree with all of you guys.

I can see it now Nestor convinces Tydides to ride his tricycle into Heritage Hall, and being strapped down with a bunch of firecrackers.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muhammad jihad.. dirka dirka!

by impaulv on Jun 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be alright. . . . .

Let’s consider IF Coach Floyd remained as coach: with the underclassmen that declared this past Spring, those that either left or transferred (forced/advised to leave?), as well as those that requested to have their LOI’s rescinded, how good would it have been next season for Trojan basketball? How well would we have competed in the PAC 10?

Coach Kev is about to inherit the reigns of a basketball program in turmoil, yes- but he has the opportunity to basically build a college team from the ground- up! If he can possibly retain one or two players who have told USC that they’re leaving (be it would be freshmen recruits or players- i.e. Marcus Johnson) and/or grab any one of the “under the radar” HS seniors who’ve are at present “uncommitted”. . .I think he’ll go into next season no better/no worse than what Coach Floyd would have given us.

Additionally, say next season ends with the Trojans finishing in the middle to the – bottom of the PAC 10? Would it have ended any differently for Coach Floyd?

Here’s the thing: for next year’s basketball team, the season’s trajectory- as it applies to wins/losses, game-by-game performances/how they compete?, as well as injuries, team morale/chemistry, and understanding Coach Kev’s “system” (whatever that might entail?) should be viewed as “his rehearsal” – as far as fan-acceptance, would-be recruit’s analysis of coach/team/potential, and administration program assessment. It’s 2010/2011 that will determine whether or not Coach Kev is gonna make it at ’SC, indeed- survive as a quality college-level head basketball coach.

I think he’ll recruit a good number of “role” and “specialist” type players to play in his system. Big-bodied/athletic defensive-minded rebounders with good hands that can keep/maintain possession and deftly pass to cutters or open sharpshooters. He’ll go after quick PG’s and strong/quick-shooting sharpshooting swing-men, and if they’re available- tall, good-footwork type forwards who can finish near the rim. He doesn’t need DeRozan’s or Mayo’s, he needs Deron Williams’ and Trevor Ariza’s, sprinkled with Tayshaun Prince or Ron Artest for good measure. If he finds a KLove without the output, he’ll have the right personnel for his type of team. Do I think that’s doable? Yeah, in a way I do, because the world (NBA) covets Mayo’s, DeRozan’s, Sidney’s, Rose’s, and Blake Griffin’s. . . .we won’t get ’em, not in the near future. And if we do? Coach Kev will be setting himself up for failure.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate your positive attitude Bix, however...

K.O. is no Jim Saia, and I don’t mean that as a compliment. O’Neill takes over after yet another meltdown; however, unlike the amicable Saia who created a sense of peace and stability, this guy has a wildness about him that could make matters worse, much worse. We can only hope he has exorcised all his demons, because if he hasn’t were going down even further.

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 22, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I appreciate you, appreciatin' my positiveness!

You’re alright Loc, and I mean that. No question we’re not going anywhere, and fast. Like my comment from above, I don’t think we would have made a good run of it towards another PAC-10 tournament conference championship, if we even make it out of the first game to begin with. And I’m under no illusions that we’re anywhere but a bottom-feeder at this with our basketball team in our own conference. But hey, if we win a few games here or there (if?), if Coach Kev shows some chutzpah and remarkably “gets to” a few of our players where they understand what’s up with Coach’s system, and he impresses well enough to recruit some players to “feed” that system- he’s aces as far as I’m concerned. It’s pretty much all we can ideally expect from him. (I mean, look what Timmy did in last year’s tournament? THAT was insanity! Weird things CAN happen at USC.)

One more thing, “people” have been writing what a helluva recruiter O’Neill is. Is it “positive” of me to think that they’re not lying? I don’t expect, nor do I think the average rabid ‘SC fan expects, a top-flight; highly ranked recruiting class for basketball anytime soon. But at the same time, I don’t think our program is “radioactive” to the point where good, hard-working recruits don’t want anything to do with us. I’m sure a lot of great recruits will be turned-off by our “impending” situation, some will be willing to take a chance though as well.Afterall, getting a free-ride at USC is still a covetous situation to be in.

Maybe we should have a Fanpost asking people what they might expect from an O’Neill-experience? I’ll admit, I’m no blog-hound- I haven’t the slightest idea what other fans are thinking and saying at this point with Coach Kev. Conquest Chronicles, TrojanWire, WeAreSC, and TrojanFootballAnalysis are the only Trojan blogs I peruse in my life. CC, daily- the others, pretty much every other day or so.

I’m wondering Loc? How bad can it possibly get for ‘SC basketball, I mean. . .is there something worse than last place in the PAC-10 that I don’t know about? That’s what might happen, and I’ve said so. How, “much further” can it get? (I’m truly asking because I think I’m missing something? Not trying to be tricky or facetious- just honestly curious about your take in all this)

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amigo, I'm worried

The only thing worse than last place is a prolonged stay there. There’s no question we were going to have a down year, mostly because so many guys declared for the NBA (including some that had no business doing so), and losing guys like Sidney, Hill and MoMo certainly hurt, but that would have meant 5th or 6th place, not the basement. xCTF would have had us back in a year, but that’s a moot point now.

xCTF had the ability to put together teams that overachieved. He also had a reputation for putting guys in the league, and because of that he was able to attract elite recruits -something K.O. has not done.

Unfortunately, thanks K.O.‘s taskmaster no-fun reputation it’s going to take a very long time for guys to give us the time of day. His style is Howland on ’roids, and few kids sign up to play life-sucking defense. Even the clowns across town are realizing that you need to score to win championships.

If K.O. was the best we could do, we would have been better off handing the program to Gib Arnold; he is an excellent coach. Gib is young, talented and well liked, and he deserved the opportunity; he would have cleaned things up and prepared us to make a run at a Dixon or Robinson or Monty or anyone else next spring.

Now we’re stuck with K.O. for at least two years. His belligerent personality often drives players and assistant coaches away. If he can hold on to our assistants there is hope, but if they run for he hills in the next three months we’re in for severe trouble.

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 22, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got it!

You see, I heard some stuff about Coach Kev- but I didn’t realize he was that untoward. I hear ya now, belligerence is such an unattractive quality, no? I’m not down with pricks, myself. Sounds like the coach makes things harder for himself, in that regard.

In the coming months, I wonder how many ‘SC assistants will stay on with the chingazo? For that matter, how many players will tune him out after awhile? You just “thickened the plot” for me Loco, I’m totally in the dark regarding Coach Kev. Mr. Ballistic?

Ahhhh! ’SC athletics, never a dull moment eh?

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 23, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I can see that Nestor and Fox 71 couldn't handle the PRESSURE and 86 Dallas!

I am very proud of you my friend I didn’t make it past 5 posts I believe until I posted the Sam Gilbert story from B Walton’s book. OH well I guess some people like to argue into a mirrior, Have a great day Festor and Box 71 we love ya guys.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 22, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I guess if you can't be right all the time this is how you act.

This reminds me of a story a friend of mine (a professor at UCI) had co prof. that wanted to go with him to have beer at local Irish Pub. Now my friend is not your typical over bearing everything I say is lore, he is down to earth and engages in fair dialogue. So he tells this other guy if you go with me don’t expect to be right all the time, because these people don’t have to put up with you and they will tell you exactly how they feel. Well all told the dude lasted about ½ an hour and got and went on his way, he just couldn’t handle it. Heck maybe it was Box 71 or uncle Festor?

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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