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There are some interesting articles here today...especially one by Bill Plaschke. I think he makes a number of very valid point in regards to AD Mike Garrett

More Tim Floyd fall out...

USC's lack of leadership during hard times is revealing - Los Angeles Times
Here is Plaschke's take...This needed to be written! (I will have more on this later)

USC basketball: Players ‘distraught,’ recruits ‘nervous’ - USC - OCRegister.com
I feel for these guys right now

Doug Gottlieb: Another way to look at the USC situation - ESPN
College Basketball Experts Blog on ESPN.com.

O.J. Mayo, Rodney Guillory deal cost Tim Floyd his career - Seth Davis - SI.com
Seth Davis has a good take

Analysis: 10 questions in the wake of Tim Floyd's resignation - ESPN
In the wake of Tim Floyd's resignation at USC, three of our college basketball insiders -- Andy Katz, Dana O'Neil and Pat Forde -- give their rapid-fire reaction to the news and analyze what this all means.

Clay Matthews News

Hamstring limits Matthews' practice time | Green Bay Press-Gazette

Stanley has new roommate...

Meet Stanley Havili’s new roommate - USC - OCRegister.com

Mark Sanchez signs with the NY Jets

Jets and Sanchez Reach Deal on Contract - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com

Scott Wolf on the radio

Wolf Audio from PMS 6/10

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I can't believe that I'm about to write this...

But here we go: for all the rude things that I have said about Plaschke in the past, someone had to say it, and good for him. I might quibble with the notion that rising students should avoid the university for that reason, because find me a major university that doesn’t have ethical issues that extend well past sports.

But. Plascke is quite right – this is the time for President Samples to step in and figure out what the hell he needs to do to sort this mess out. He’s done an incredible job building the academic side of the university, it’s time to direct the AD and his minions because they plainly cannot be counted on to undo this foolishness themselves.

by DC Trojan on Jun 11, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am in full agreement with your assessment DC

However, Bill Plaschke apparently hasn’t quite been intellectually sober most his whole adult life. He lives in the delusion that:

A. the world is viewed through an athletic lens.
B. the world is a happy, egalitarian, and logically moral place. (or, for him- it should be?)
C. students/Joe Public, if they are organized and want change, can alter the dynamics of entrenched powers- be it owners of teams, administrators of universities, management/personnel of sports. (peacefully and through protestations. . . .how’d that work out for UC Berkeley in the 70’s, Bill? And in Little Rock, AK in the ’50’s? want more relevance? how ‘bout Miami in the ’90’s?)
D. if anyone has moral or ethical standing, they can just walk up to the drive-thru window- order it is what they want, make changes if they so please, and get EXACTLY what they want, when they want it, whenever they want it.

Now, I’m not a TOTAL pessimist, nor am I a defeatist. To that end, as “homer” as I can be about the teams and affiliations I care most about, I’d like to think that I have a grasp of history and sense of the realities we all share together in this world.

I find it almost excruciating to have to translate the USC/NCAA situation pragmatically. (he’s way older I, and he has the benefit of year’s improving the art of his vocation)

In saying all this, of course President Sample has a ton of work to do and improve upon in addressing ’SC’s athletic problems- especially in communicating it to faculty, students, alums, fans, and the sport’s public, in general. (is THAT really news, or newsworthy?). AD Mike Garrett, as well as he’s done and as awesome as some of his more recent decisions have been with regard to hiring quality coaches across all aspects of Trojan competitive sports (Chad Kreuter, notwithstanding)- he has JUST COMPLETELY BLOWN IT REGARDING all aspects of Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo. It’s happened under his watch and while he was strutting around campus telling everyone and anyone that our largesse of championships and accomplishments was mostly because he MADE IT HAPPEN. (if you’re gonna take the credit when the going is good, you gotta wholly shoulder the blame and individually suffer the eventual consequences when things go bad. otherwise, this little emperor needs a serious inquisition).

Coach Floyd, whether he was forced out, resigned on his own, or waited it out until the final determinations of the NCAA investigation came to light- NEEDED TO GO! No two ways around it. Why bother with the why? We know why. Why bother with the how? It had to be done, regardless. Why the concern for “perception” (as it applies to USC)? The damage has been done, and the foreman of the jury for the court of public opinion has already told us- “WE THINK YOU GUYS ARE CHEATERS AND LIARS” (hmmm? but didn’t y’all already push that down our throats last decade? last millenium?) Hey people, guess what. Perception hasn’t changed, and took a serious nose-dive recently. Prognosis: NOT GOOD, recovery? (see prognosis).

Listen, I for one, am happy SOMETHING was done before determinations by the NCAA was completed. Other things must take place with the athletic and compliance departments at USC. Complete and thorough internal investigations into ALL allegations stemming from Bush and Mayo, with determinations which should minimally conclude: 1. firing those whose job responsibilities covered maintaining coach/player conduct/behavior and/or team/sport compliance of NCAA mandated rules covering recruitment and eligibility. 2. presentation of new; revised; and pertinent/relevant institutional policies covering ALL THE BASES of these recent transgressions. (if that means rewriting of student/faculty code? so be it. it would be welcome and we’d all rally behind it- I’m sure) 3. a formal setting to publicly address any and all allegations, limited explanation of internal investigations and subsequent conclusions, admissions of fault/guilt, acceptance of responsibilities, asking for patience in rectifying the wrongs and showing the demeanor of an administration still having the strength, diligence, and determination to be a better institution in the future. Contrition? That’s a word that we’ve bantered around here since the Bush scandal. Or was it the Eric Wright, Rey Muaulaga, Mark Sanchez, or Winston Justice situations? I can be forgetful sometimes, oh- right! Perception.

In closing, we fellow Trojans are none too happy with the way things have transpired- both with our ex-players and our current administration addressing these fallout issues. So I ask (you in particular Bill Plaschke and other schadenfreadean-ejaculators) “Quis, quid, ubi, quibus auxiliis, cur, quomodo, quando?” – Who, what, where, with what, why, how, when?" Shall I go over to Heritage Hall and scream, “Sic volo, sic iubeo!” – I want this, I order this. What could our fanbase have done, as it applies to coaxing the USC upper-level administrators to be forthcoming and more communicative with these issues? What can we do if we (fans/public alike) believe nothing is being done to rectify and change the player/coach/team culture in ‘SC athletics? I’m not trying to be facetious here, I honestly don’t know how fan displeasure can create administrative change, even through a highly-organized revolt against those in power? Not here. Not in L.A.

To me, where Plaschke’s at with Sample- it is just “argumentum ad hominem”. An argument against the man, rather than the subject at hand.

 Even still, with regards to perception? Men gladly believe that which they wish for. The allegations have already convicted us. The unfriendly public has great notions of everything unknown. They know absolutely everything that Louis Johnson witnessed and Lloyd Lake has said, IS THE TRUTH on the matters. I’m probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but “Scio me nihil scire.” – I know that I know nothing. Certain knowledge cannot be obtained, it’s an impossible condition. For those growing restless and want some punishment handed down already? It will come, and as slowly as it does, let us (Trojans) at least endure, between hope for the best and fear of the worst. Ultimo ratio, no! For Fate, by an impartial law, is allotted both to the conspicuous and the obscure.

Be patient Bill, Kurt, Nestor, and the impatient ones out there. Because punishment comes limping, contrition comes slowly- BUT SURELY. Let’s all try our best not to speak against the sun. In other words, let us hope we’ll not waste our time arguing the obvious. It might be better to, if the haters and naysayers are amenable?, to discuss matters of where to go henceforth.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 11, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn’t thought about it in terms of Plaschke essentially converting the arguments about institutional control into a projected inner conflict for President Sample. At some level, Plaschke’s got some nerve to take the responsibilities of the office of university President and call out Sample. And the fact that he wonders what the faculty and staff think shows a marked lack of understanding of the level of (dis)interest there, never mind any prejudice against university sports.

So from that standpoint, it’s a worse article than I gave him credit for: it’s one thing to say it is the responsibility of the President to do something, it’s another to essentially try and assign collective guilt.

by DC Trojan on Jun 11, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn! How'd you do that?

I totally heart you DC. Where you been hiding, Champ? (glad to read your words again. oh, and thanks for proving my verbosity. ;- ) you said it better and with way more force and candor. I gotta take me some DC 101. summer classes available?

[insert smiley face right here]

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 11, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Working. Working working working. They’re finally making me earn my paycheck, but it beats getting a box and 10 minutes to clean out your desk in the next round of layoffs.

by DC Trojan on Jun 11, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read and re-read your reply to my comment

Goodness gracious my man. Your words. . . . .? What a beauty! (seriously, I truly miss your comments, sarcasm, and wit. it ain’t the same with DC)

However, be careful shaking that money-maker of yours. It’s the only one you got.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 11, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

[edit]

meant to write, “it ain’t the same without you”. forgot the “out” part. speaking of which?. . . .

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Jun 11, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this type of thing goes all the way to garrett

he cant have any excuse to have allowed guilory around heritage hall.

by frak on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still waiting

For someone to go on record and try to talk to O.J. Mayo. Even if it is a “no comment” at least someone will have tried to talk the person directly responsible for this mess.

by Zoulou on Jun 11, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not about Mayo caring,

it’s about accountability. Mayo is an adult and the central actor in this drama, yet he gets a full and unconditional pass from the media. This is absurd, it’s not an excuse for Floyd’s lack of common sense, but please! What was President Sample supposed to do? Order USC security to tail Floyd and Mayo? Should he follow the Obama example with an apology tour? Starting in Wastewood? Steven Sample is a great man, and Plaschke’s attacks confirm that Paschke is small. And lazy; Bill, did you bother calling Memphis?

by Locoweed 1.1 on Jun 11, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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