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Why USC fans have trouble with Yahoo's reporting

The trick in dealing with all that we have read over bothe the Bush and Mayo investigations is being able to separate fact from fiction and emotion from calm. Most rational USC Fans, if there is such a thing as a rational fan, will wholeheartedly support whatever punishment against USC is handed down if the charges are found to be true and if the Punishment fits the crime.

We live in a society of checks and balances, we all understand that when you do something wrong or break the rules that you may have face the consequences of your actions. If you read any of the USC message boards you will find multiple people who will accept punishment if it's legitimate but what most people are upset about is how the story is getting out and being portrayed.

I'm sure Charles Robinson and Jason Cole are fine reporters but their reporting just seems incomplete to me. I really couldn't put my finger on it until I read this comment from Kleph over on RollBamaRoll.

i fully agree...

… but my point being this is still a story hinging on pretty much a single news source. yahoo can have all the evidence in the world but it’s still doesn’t know what decisions the NCAA will make about the case. so making prognostications about the program’s fate at this point is vastly premature.

take this passage from today’s story in the reputable bastion of Southern California journalism, the Los Angeles Times (my emphasis):

If the NCAA finds truth in this and other allegations previously made by Johnson, USC could be hit with major sanctions, including forfeitures of victories, probation, a ban on postseason play, the loss of television appearances or scholarship and recruiting restrictions.

thats a pretty massive set of qualifiers attributed to a guy who plainly admits he has zero information on the actual information the NCAA is examining.

and, on a related note, why hasn’t anyone contacted the U.S. Attorney’s Office, FBI and IRS who have allegedly been informed of this transaction? the info is just thrown out there without nothing to back it up – not even the seemingly obligatory ‘no comment.’

In those few short paragraph's Kleph pretty much nails it.

Again, if the story is true SC should and will face punishment. Heads should roll and I am not talking about a few token firings...Floyd is obvious but Garrett would have to go as well as this happened on his watch. Those who run the compliance office should also get the axe.

Kleph eloquently states what many hot-headed SC fans have been trying to say.

That no other major LA news source or any major Sports outlet (outside of ESPN's original OTL report) has done any investigation of their own, gives the impression that there is an Axe to grind. I have read all the recent reports where Johnson's attorney has stated that the NCAA believes Johnson's account...

Really?

Does anyone actually believe that Salerno would say anything different? I mean he is representing him so I would expect him to spin it in the most positive way possible. How does Salerno know that? He has to do his best to rehabilitate his clients image. If the NCAA told him that then did they also tell him what plans they have for USC in regards to punishment? Did they share any of the "other" evidence that they supposedly have? I just can't believe the word of an attorney whose job it is to look out for the best interests of his/her client.

Kleph's emphasis on the "IF's" and "COULD BE's" is where chasm widens. For example other than Johnson's attorney, via Yahoo!, is it being reported anywhere that Johnson really did talk to the feds? There simply isn't any independent source that backs that claim up. It's just recycled in all the major news papers without any corroboration.

I mean anyone can jump to conclusions based on a few snippets of reporting. As Kleph also notes that NO ONE has even been given a no comment form the federal agencies involved should raise a red flag. Are we supposed to believe Louis Johnson just because he says so? He has credibility issues and he has a motive to "sell" his story. So, Yahoo is spoon feeding us the version of one person who has an axe to grind without any other evidence to back it up.

And we are supposed to believe it?

Yet, Robinson claims they have talked to dozens of sources with pristine records...

We’ve got dozens of sources who have contributed to our reports and who have pristine records. So to say that everyone behind these reports is a felon is simply not true. That said, absolutely, some of the sources of these allegations do have records. But these are also people who spent years of their lives – years – in friendships or financial relationships with Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo.

OK, so who are they. Yahoo's reporting hinges on the story of an unsavory character yet hey claim to have spoken to many sources who are "pristine". We would like to know who they are to see if they stand up to scrutiny. At this point Robinson's comments just seem incomplete.

SC fans would like to see a sense of balance in the reporting of this story, I mean there isn't a single person or a piece of evidence that put some doubt in this whole sorrid tale? That's why many USC fans Can't and Won't take Yahoo! seriously. They have had three years to nail the Bush thing down but we are still no closer to seeing that end. They are such a stellar reporting outfit that it took them almost a year to "break" the story about Floyd being his own bagman when the feds allegedly had it for a year? Why did Johnson wait so long to let everyone else know about Floyd when he openly told the Feds about it a year ago?

If they had this info a year ago this story would have closed a long time ago because it would have put pressure on the NCAA to act. Instead they drag it out like some Chinese water torture test.

That's why USC fans are pissed...

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Excellent !

Kleph is one of the smartest men in and around SB Nation (EDSBS, too!). The thread over at RBR was a good one. outsidethesidelines (way before Outside the Lines ESPN show), the man who posted the RBR thread, has a breadth of football acumen unmatched in SB Nation! He put up a great one.

I was gonna utilize kleph’s, OTS’s, kenny483’s, and 5026’s from that comment thread. Go over there yourself, those RBR guys are the best SEC guys in the SEC. Sure they don’t much care for USC, but they’re as fair and passionate a bunch of guys as you’ll see in and around SB Nation- in my opinion. There’s a good give and take about Bush- and OJ-gate.

Way to go ParagonSC!

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by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

That makes sense

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Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on May 14, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good take, Paragon!

Agree completely. Salerno is a professional liar. That is his job. Johnson is in HOT WATER with the feds for being involved, even indirectly, with Guillory’s fraudulent charity. Salerno’s job is to create doubt and deflect blame to others. Guillory AND Johnson could both be headed to the federal pen for a long time.

Yahoo has not produced one credible source nor one hard piece of evidence to link USC with ANY NCAA violations in this case. We are getting dirty due to the mudslinging from the evidence in the federal case, but USC is not directly involved in any of that evidence. When Yahoo shows us anything, cell phone records, bank records, eye witnesses, anything tangible to link Tim Floyd or USC to this, then I will change my tune. Until then, this is one big lie and we are suckers for believing any of it.

The only thing that USC is guilty of at the moment is, perhaps, bad judgment for taking Mayo with the knowledge that Guillory was in tight with Mayo. Yet, again, the NCAA and USC compliance cleared Mayo. And, sadly, how many high profile prep hoops stars are not involved with agents and runners? Very few, I believe, and this has also been widely reported. There are numerous stories and books written on the dirty underbelly of college hoops recruiting. Purportedly, Michael Beasley had been paid almost $500k throughout his amateur career before he signed his NBA contract.

I think the lesson for Mike Garrett and USC compliance is to live by a higher standard than the NCAA’s own clearinghouse going forward.

by DFWTrojan on May 14, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I think

that we can’t completely declare ourselves free from blame without first asking ourselves why Guillory and Johnson were allowed near our kids especially with Guillory’s reputation. It was sloppy or our compliance department to even let that guy in the building.

Floyd may be innocent of all of these accusations, but he can’t say he had no contact with these men. Nor can he explain why they were allowed access.

I would be shocked if the NCAA could prove the payment to Guillory happened, if it indeed happened. The only people that know for sure if it happened or not are Floyd and Guillory. Floyd isn’t allowed to talk about any investigation involving the school, so that’s why he isn’t making any statements right now. I will reserve my judgment until all the facts are in, but right now, I don’t think there is any reason to let us off the hook. If I was the NCAA I would hit us with something for just having all these crooked agents around our players.

On a side note, I would rather have a crappy basketball team that plays by the rules, than a couple of 1 and done jerks cheating and bringing down our house. If Floyd is involved he needs to be fired, and Garrett with him.

by frak on May 14, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you should go the BruinsNation route

and start blaming everyone and everything not associated with your institution.

FUCK YOU SWINE FLU. FUCKING EL NINO TRYING. EAST COAST BIAS. COMMUNISM.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on May 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

was it the "communism" one?

that’s the one that fully took me over the edge.

communism, eh?

bruin-bitches-in-a-brokeass bourgeois-bewilderment! BA-DA-BING!

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Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on May 15, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

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