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ESPN's Pat Forde continues to bash USC Basketball

Remember when Pat Forde bashed USC over OJ Mayo?

Well, old grumpy is at it again.This time over the Hackett/Lewis dust-up and the commitment of Renardo Sidney...

The Trojans have lost four of their past five and are fading from NCAA tournament contention, but things are never dull in and around Tim Floyd's program.

After the team lost to Washington on Saturday, the Los Angeles Times reported that guard Daniel Hackett (32) and his father, assistant strength coach Rudy Hackett, were arguing in both Italian and English in the locker room. Media members were tossed so they could continue arguing in privacy.

In addition to the loss, neither of the Hacketts nor Floyd was especially pleased with an ESPN "Outside The Lines" report Sunday on package deals in college basketball -- the practice of bringing in a family member or other influential figure so the team can sign a player. Floyd strongly defended Rudy Hackett's credentials, though The Minutes has always wondered how an assistant strength coach had such a prominent seat on the bench for games. It also was amusing that Floyd said his decision to hire Hackett came partly on a recommendation by L.A. youth basketball maven Pat Barrett (33) -- a guy outed 20 years ago as a shady recruiting character in the seminal investigative book, "Raw Recruits."

Meanwhile, the L.A. Daily News reported that eyewitnesses saw Daniel Hackett and fellow guard Dwight Lewis (34) get into a shoving match on the court 20 minutes after the game, and the altercation was broken up by security.

The good news came Monday for USC, when hugely hyped big man and Sonny Vaccaro pet project Renardo Sidney (35) verbally committed to the Trojans. Sidney is almost a mortal lock to be a one-and-done collegian like predecessor O.J. Mayo, who helped USC to zero NCAA tournament victories and one NCAA investigation.

The only question is whether Sidney will actually make it to USC's campus. The Times reports that the 6-foot-11 center/forward has not yet taken the SAT.

I will be the first to admit that things haven't gone as well as we would have liked this season. I could see how the the altercation between Hackett and Lewis could be seen as a microcosm of the season to date...it has been frustrating, but the way that Forde portrays Floyd and the team, especially when it comes to the over hyped Outside the Lines piece last Sunday, its clear that Forde has an axe to grind.

A number of us here have some issues with how the team has looked this season and we all cautiously await what the NCAA will say about Mayo but until they do make their report on the situation known its all speculation...you know, just like a lot of ucla fans say Sam Gilbert was all speculation.

Basketball recruiting is a dirty business and sites like ESPN are complicit in some of that. They give these kids exposure that they aren't ready for and some of them turn into drama queens (see Randall Carroll). Funny how I don't see Forde lambasting any of the other programs mentioned in the piece they way he does USC.

While some of us are not completely happy with Tim Floyd there is no question that he has increasesd the exposure of USC hoops. And while there are some questionable things he has done some good in some areas of recruiting and SC getting to the tournament. Its still not enough and I can do with out the negative press but I at least give him a "A" for effort.

Forde is nothing more than a hater and we are his flavor of the year.

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I thought we OWNED ESPN/Disney? Don’t we RUN THEM? Where has all that Disney nut-huggin’ gone? We sho’ can use some of dat lovin’ now! They don’t like us no more. Damn!

Here’s a thought to ALL THOSE MAGPIES out there crying for Floyd’s job (like they got a clue anyway): Marcus Simmons went down 5 games ago, we’ve lost those 5 games. There were some terrible calls, AND there was some terrible defense and shot selection by USC in those 5 games. Teams lose sometimes. Maybe not all the players are on the same page or want/expect the same things game in and game out. We certainly have some characther issues with a few players, what team in any sport doesn’t?

Are we where we were expected to be this season? (yes) Is Tim Floyd, Mike Montgomery? No. Is USC basketball better than it was before Tim Floyd took over our program? Debatable. (my take: Yes, way yes)

We’re a nationally recognized institution in just about everything- we’ll get lotsa love and we’ll get lotsa backlash hating coming our way. Our friends from Penn State told us to expect it and take it like men/women. I hate to say it, but he’s right.

Still. . . .Pat Forde’s a tool. And he isn’t even a very good one at that.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 26, 2009 7:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tool Time!

Forde is a mega-tool! It is just so blatant that as arguably the highest profile athletic department in the country – due to our success, tradition, and location – the media sensationalizes provocative stories about USC to attract eyeballs to their product. What happens at USC is no different than what happens at most of the other respected, big-time programs in the country, like Florida, Ohio St, and Texas. Forde is just soliciting traffic, but his takes are overt anti-Trojan crap that most intelligent sports fans should see through.

I could not agree more that the SC hoops program is better off. When was the last time that we had 3 McDonalds All-American recruits in 3 consecutive seasons? Or, the last time we were battling late in the season for our 3rd consecutive NCAA tourney appearance. As for comparing Floyd to Mike Montgomery, I think we should wait until next season. If Floyd has an NCAA tourney breakthrough, then I would argue that he is an elite college coach. If we underachieve next year, then my support of Floyd will diminish a bit.

by DFWTrojan on Feb 26, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

well at least we are turning some heads!

Got to love the attention, Forte is an east coast dude (homer) so anything he and the 4 letter network say is hogwash.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 26, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yawn

I don’t read Forde as being a USC hater. I am also one of the few board commenters who doesn’t go into a lather every time I read something that says that USC’s s4!t stinks. Sometimes it does.

After all, nothing Forde wrote isn’t true.

by Zoulou on Feb 26, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is he fair and balanced?

Tell me something Zoulou, you seriously think this man doesn’t have an agenda? That he only reporting the news, despite the fact that the news happens to be about USC? Do you believe all journalists are out for the truth, or is this something special you have for Forde?

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 27, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paranoid a bit, are we?

No, Forde doesn’t have an agenda? Because he is critical of Floyd and the program? Yes, Bix, everyone who is critical of Floyd has an agenda. I mean, why would anyone criticize Tim Floyd?

Let’s see, the team, with one week off, heads to UCLA and gets absolutely whipped and plays with no passion (kind of like Karl Dorrell teams visiting the Coliseum) loses on the road to Arizona, plays ASU tough but a bad call at the end causes Floyd to flip, and puts points on the board for ASU, making sure that USC cannot, in any way come back. Team then almost blows it against WSU, then news comes out that USC and Floyd will be featured in a show on package deal recruiting, which, of course, only proves ESPN’s agenda against USC because everyone knows that Floyd’s recruiting is above reproach (cough — Percy Miller — cough). Yep, ESPN has an agenda, even thought ESPN regularly pumps up USC football (2005: The Greatest Team of All Time; Herbie and Corso after the Rose Bowls regularly proclaiming USC the best team in the country). Quite an agenda.

Next game vs. Washington, the team does not play together, Hackett and Lewis fight, Lewis and Washington throw obscene gestures to each other, SC loses, the locker room is closed. A few days later, after massive negative press, the team comes out with a Kumbaya moment. Plays tough, but is not able to shake Cal, a team, that, by the way, lost two starters to the NBA, returned only two starters, had no five star recruits coming in, but is winning because they hired a coach who can adjust his offense to the talent. Hmmmm, adjusting the offense to the talent. How interesting!

Yeah, now that I think of it, can’t see why Forde would write anything negative about Floyd unless he has an agenda!

by Zoulou on Feb 27, 2009 11:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not at all...

I know you have a hard on for Floyd and there is some legitimate criticism on a number of things that have been discussed ad nauseum .

But I do think the ESPN piece left a lot to be desired. As it stands there isn’t anything wrong with package deals, they may not look right but they are hardly against the rules.

I do think it was piling on as it certainly wasn’t done to shed a positive light on USC even though there is nothing wrong with the practice in regards to the current rules.

by Paragon SC on Feb 28, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paragon

I had a long post regarding you comment that “As it stands there isn’t anything wrong with package deals,” But I.E and my work place’s servers ate it, so i’m not going to re-write it, but in short the point I was making is that the above-quoted statement simply is not true. I think you know that because the next clause and your final sentence of you comment seems to contradict that statement.

My simple point is that reporting facts, even negative, does not prove an agenda.

But here is my question: Do you think that the recent Seattle Times series regarding Neuheisel and his tenure with the UW football program is evidence of an agenda against Neuheisel, any of the players mentioned (such as Jeremey Stevens), the Athletic Department or the University. I ask this because your definition of agenda and mine might be radically different.

by Zoulou on Feb 28, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not into technicalities....

either its wrong or it isn’t. And of right now it isn’t so it really doesn’t matter what I think.

Couldn’t care less about the S.T./RN pieces…they are about 8 years too late and really have no significance at this point = sour grapes. RN’s record with the NCAA is enough for me.

USC is flavor of the month in CFB/pariah in CBB…go figure…USC hoops is an easy target because they haven’t won like football.

Not sure what your definition of agenda is…to me SC didn’t do anything wrong in regards to the Hackett’s or the DeRozan/ Miller thing. It may not look good but its not against the rules. ESPN wanted to make some hay and they did it with a guy who already has a negative opinion…so yeah, he’s objective…….right.

Moving on….

by Paragon SC on Feb 28, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not like it hasn't been done before

Desmon Farmer’s brother was on the basketball staff as a result of Desmon signing with USC. That was no secret back then. I’m a little suprised no one brought that up.

by frak on Mar 1, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive a bit

Dude, if I can make any sense of what you have written, I’d have a better response?

Here goes:

On the Agenda Issue: ESPN loves football but hates basketball? (just what point are you proving or making fun of. suggestion: lay off whatever your taking Zoulou)

Just because you aren’t down with Floyd, doesn’t make Floyd a bad or elite coach. Quit expecting Floyd to do to the basketball program what Pete Carroll has done for the football program. Carroll coming to USC IS AN COMPLETE AND TOTAL ANOMALY! No program- football or otherwise in the recent history of college sports has enjoyed the insanity of success that our football program has enjoyed with an ex-pro coach (like Carroll and Floyd) coming into a sports program and changing it as completely and comprehensively as Carroll has. Floyd ain’t Carroll, and Carroll ain’t Floyd.

Thanks for the recent rundown of the basketball team’s results. It’s not like I can’t or haven’t read the newspapers myself. (get over yourself dude, you sound like an idiot the more I read your drivel)

btw: Forde’s writing is sensationalistic. if you wanna call that “the truth” so be it. it’s not WHAT he’s writing about, it’s HOW he writes it that makes his schpiel overbearing. I reserve the right to call his OJ Mayo and Floyd “writing with an agenda”. (just in case YOU HAVEN’T READ any of that old stuff from him and this new stuff regarding Floyd)

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 28, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

The passion with which you’ve been putting behind some (most!) of your posts, you’d think you have some sort of financial stake in the team? If you aren’t a season ticket holder, then you really aren’t in that great of position to be spouting off the way you’ve been.

If you aren’t one of those few and proud people filling up the Galen Center, then shut your trap!

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 28, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Son

1.) I will give you that Forde, and many sports writers, are not OJ Mayo fans. That’s been true for years. Floyd took OJ, and has to live with the good and the bad. The “zero NCAA tounrament wins” is more of a crack at Floyd than Mayo.

I never thought Mayo was a good college player (and I’ve said he’ll be a better pro than college player because of the different nature of the pro and college game) but I’ve never ragged on Floyd for the Mayo investigation. With BBall elite players and the NBA one-year-out-of-high-school-rule, the Rodney Guillory’s tolerated every so often. The test is whether the Rodney Guillorys become regular features in the program, or an occasional irritation.

Forde has also gone easy in that he rarely mentions Davon Jefferson or Percy Miller. IMHO, those are two of Floyd’s bigger sins.

2.) No of what Forde rights does not mean that that Forde necessarily has an agenda against Floyd. If you can point me to an article Forde wrote about Floyd when he was hired, and during his first two years, that is overwhelming negative, please do. But the facts have not been pretty the past two years.

3.) Where do I say that the BBall program should be like the football program? However, there is no reason why the BBall program, with the brand new Galen Cneter and being in the middle of one of the top five recruting grounds in the country, can’t be a consistent Top 25 team. It is not.

4.) I did not say that Forde’s article is the “Truth”. I said that nothing he wrote about that can be determined as fact (as in an event that happened) is not true. There is a distinction between what is true and the “Truth”. If you are still confused, then I suggest you read Plato’s Gorgias.

What Sidney does is speculation, but Forde seems only to be channeling the conventional wisdom that Sidney, if he even qualifies, is a one-and-done.

The comment about Rudy Hackett having a prominent seat in the USC bench: just about every coach in the Pac-10 has mentioned this (off the record, of course) at one time or another. Even Wolf did (during Daniel’s first year). It does raise eyebrows.

Sensationalism is in the eye of the beholder. I ask the same question of you as I do of Paragon (see my recent reply to his comment “Not at all …”).

5.) You really do not want to threaten me.

by Zoulou on Feb 28, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Easy captain!

It’s real simple, really. I’m not contesting what he writes (w-r-i-t-e-s), I have issue with the tenor and tone. He writes sensationalistic (an adjective: causing or intended to cause great public excitement), the way it seems you have read him. (it works!) Surely you won’t begrudge me that?

Who’s threatening whom? Talk about paranoid?

And I’m not your son, brotha!

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 28, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And even if I was . . . .?

I’d love for you to tell me what you think you can do about it? Induldge me.

Comer4tide to Nico2.0: "How come I've never heard of any of your random songs?"
Todd to Comer: "Because if you had, he wouldn't listen to it. BOOM. Roasted."
Nico to Todd: "Shouldn't you be off voguing somewhere?"

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 28, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Edits

1.) "the Rodney Guillory’s tolerated every so often: should be "the Rodney Guillory’s have to be tolerated every so often.

2,) “No of what Forde rights” should be “None of what Forde writes

3.) “recruiting”, not “recruting”

4.) “on” the USC bench, not “in”

by Zoulou on Feb 28, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would simply ask....

what is it you want?

We have been this road before…

There is little chance that SC will be successful in both sports like Florida so we have what we have. Like it or not Garrett isn’t going anywhere (i see him as untouchable) so these decisions are all on him and we are stuck with it like it or not.

by Paragon SC on Feb 28, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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