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A Little More on the Te'o/Toma "package deal"

I've grown tired of the whole soap opera swirling around Manti Te'o's decision not to come to USC and the probable package deal that brought both Te'o and Roby Toma to Notre Dame.

A lot of what I read seems like sour grapes but becuase we have never seen either of our rivals use this sort of tactic it did leave a lot of us scratching our heads...

You can count on a lot more head scratching after this piece from Wolf on his blog yesterday.

Last week I did a radio show in Hawaii. One of those who listened was Larry Hilliard, the father of UCLA's incoming freshman tailback, Dalton Hilliard.

Dalton plays for Punahou, the same school as linebacker Manti Te'o and wide receiver Roby Toma. Larry wanted to touch base after my interview and said his son was contacted by UCLA last week following the whole package deal controversy involving Te'o and Toma.

Here is what Hilliard told me:

``Norm Chow gives Dalton a call (last week) and says there's a lot going on with Roby (Toma). Chow said, `Manti said we attacked Roby in regards to Manti not coming.'

``Chow said, `We were aggressive because a deal was struck.'

``Based on what Coach Chow said, Manti called them up and said, `I have a buddy.' He told them if they gave (Toma) a scholarship, he would come. The caveat is he said, `I want to keep it under the table and on signing date I'll make it public.' It's coming from Norm Chow. He did tell Dalton to ease Dalton's mind that they didn't do anything other than offering a friend a scholarship in hopes of Manti's coming to UCLA.''

Larry Dalton obviously thought the situation was important enough if went out of his way to contact Scott Wolf. And because this information comes directly from the father of a signed, sealed and delivered ucla recruit I find it absolutely credible. How welome do you think Dalton will be after these comments? I realize that its not against the rules and I realize that there will be many that want to bring up Romeo Miller, that's fine, but the situations are different.

While it's obvious that ND has a proud football tradition the argument can be made that ucla has some tradition too though not even close to the level of either USC or Notre Dame. I would conceed that ucla had a pretty decent run in the 80's and 90's. USC on the other hand USC has never had any sort of consistant tradition in hoops. Most people reading this can the corelation that I am drawing here so I am moving on...

We all know Rick Neuheisel will say or do just about anything that should be no surprise he is an attention wore of the highest level. It was obvious that the only reason he was at the Rose Bowl in 2008 when SC played Illinois was to try and get some attention. The whole circus in how he played up the hiring of Norm Chow and the retention of DeWayne Walker is more of the same. I loved it when he claimed on ESPN that ucla lost to SC because he was playing a bunch of freshmen on defense while making no mention of his porous offensive line and 3rd string QB that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Gee Rick, you think SC having a pretty good defense and offense had something to do with your loss?

I didn't really think about it but one of the mods on one of the premium sites made a comment in a post that nails it perfectly...and I quote (this is a comment not premium content so i am not breaking any rules of ettiqutte), With the media, he makes grand statements that garner discussion. But not just discussion among his own fanbase, but discussion among opposing fanbases. Then he follows that with seedy recruiting pitches and indirect allegations. The result isn't in the message, it's in the reaction. The reaction he hopes to draw from USC. Instead of talking about national championship, Heisman Trophy winners and NFL Draft picks, USC is rebutting Reggie Bush drama.

Classic Neuheisel...feint here, jab there. The problem is he looks foolish doing it.

He is always taling about USC and if he would have pulled Te'o it would have reached a fever pitch. Grabbing Te'o and using Toma as the bait was not only about grabbing a marquis player but also about saying that he beat USC on the recruiting trail. I have said numerous time that Neuheisel will get his fair share of talent but how he does it makes him look like a five year old. He threw a few hooks in the water to see what he could catch, the more intriguing thing was how he got Chow into the negative recruiting game when we all know that Chow hates to recruit. Chow only "got up" for it when he thought he could poke Pete Carroll in the eye....

No, Chow's not bitter not at all....Riiiight.

We all know that Weis is a clown so we have just learned to ignore him but with Slick Rick he is right in our back yard so you know it's going to be tough to look the otherway.

I like it because I get my entertinment free with my price of admission....

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Rick is just another Jerry Mahony, who cares what that puppet does they will never be a high ranked football team.

I mean Neu is such a punk taking aim at his own QB on sideline during game, thats like reprimanding an employee on sales floor in front of customers. Dude is a joke and coward plain and simple.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"never be a high ranked football team"?

Wow… Does that mean that there’s absolutely no chance of the Bruins EVER cracking the top 10? Guess they’d better quit now, reinvest in men’s gymnastics and call it a day…

by impaulv on Feb 19, 2009 5:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dorrell cracked the top 10

I think ucla has a shot, but its going to take a few seasons to get there.

by frak on Feb 19, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only Trojan who sees no problem with this.

If UCLA wants to compete for some of that BCS money, then, well, they are going to have to recruit like hell. I tend to believe that recruiting, like making sausage, is something children, and many UCLA fans, should not be exposed to.

The SEC is laughing at the Te’o drama. That kind of recruiting in the SEC is expected. I mean, if in the same position, not only would Nick Saban give Te’o and Toma a package deal, after a year he’d figure out a way to yank Toma’s scholie and have Te’o go along with it. Then he’d get a raise from the school.

What is amusing is reading all the Ruin fans tie themselves into knots over this. The holier-than-thou attitude they’ve adopted over the past eight years was always going to come into conflict with the realities of hiring Neuheisel and trying to build a big-time college football program. It’s just funny that it happened so quickly and over something as minor as this.

by Zoulou on Feb 19, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Unless I'm Missing Something

I have no problem with this being done by anyone, UCLA or USC alike. If it’s not illegal, what’s the issue? If the NCAA has such a massive problem with this tactic, they can make it illegal very easily.

by BruinFan1 on Feb 19, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The issue is easy...

just because its not illegal doesn’t mean it looks right. You couldn’t get him on your own so you had to cut a deal. Right that’s how a “prestigious” program acts…

…and the NCAA is now looking into all package deals.

BTW Floyd was wrong to do it as well especially when Miller wasn’t recruited anywhere else…

by Paragon SC on Feb 19, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about T'eo's and Toma's academics?

I thought fUcla was all about being “tough to get in”? How many Nobel’s have their b-ball and f-ball players won now? Something like ZERO and counting?

If Coach Neu can get Norm Chow to recruit . . . .and recruit shamelessly. . . . ? That m-fer deserves a raise!

2 for 1? I’m not thinking I’m going out on a limb here, but THAT IS SOMETHING Coach Carroll WOULD NEVER DO! (I said it! I said NEVER! And you betcha, I mean it.)

"I was INVERTED!" -Maverick in Top Gun

by BixBeiderbecke on Feb 20, 2009 8:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Carroll doesn't have to do it

He is attracting talent because of his success with the competition for playing time format. RN and Weis have a lot of catching up to do to bring their programs to national prominence again. If getting Te’o means wasting a scholly on Toma, I think its worth it for those programs.

by frak on Feb 20, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need to let this go and move on. The only reason this is still being discussed is that our most recent class lacked an outstanding linebacker. Other then that, it was the best class in the country when you compare to both quality of athletes and needs. We have sufficient linebackers that it won’t create an issue this year. I’m sure our staff will have it all figured out by the time they sign the class of 2010.

by Mrtravlear on Feb 20, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We did get outstanding linebackers

Depending on which recruiting service you look at, USC pulled 3 of the top 10 linebackers in the country in Jones, Telfort, and Simmons. Simmons often gets overlooked because he has been committed for so long, but everything I read has him as one of the top 8 OLBs in the country, and Telfort and Jones rank higher. Jones is usually ranked at DE, but Lemming ranks him at #1 ILB ahead of Burfict. I think this LB class will quickly make us forget about Manti Roma and Vontaze Flunkie.

The 2 for 1 package deal with Manti Toma is essentially a bribe of a 17 year old. It is not a violation but it should be. I don’t know how you would monitor it, but a school offering a friend of a recruit $20k/yr in value to land the recruit stinks, especially from a public school. USC actually derives a lot of value in having a hip hop superstar on their hoops team, although I do wish that he had simply walked on. The only value ND will get from Toma is if they use him as the waterboy.

by DFWTrojan on Feb 21, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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