UPDATE III (Weis apologizes): Charlie Weis takes the high road on the way out of town
I'm not a huge fan of the kinds of scrum that attend accusations of not otherwise illegal, off-field shenanigans for sporting figures. But since this is going to be approximately everywhere on the internet, we might as well address it here as well.
Rivals / Yahoo Sports published the first part of an interview between writers for Irishillustrated.com and Charlie Weis now that he's been fired as Notre Dame's head coach. In the course of some back and forth about his presentation in the media and perceptions about him in the community, Weis came out with the following:
Q: Is it frustrating to you Pete Carroll, for example, portrayed in one way…
CW: Let me ask you this question: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news. He’s doing it in Malibu and it’s not national news. What’s the difference? I don’t understand. Why is it okay for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I’m scrutinized when I swear. I’m sorry for swearing; absolve my sins.
I don't really know what to make of this. I really don't.
Let's start with Pete Carroll, because I have less to say about him: if this were true, that would be really disappointing. I don't feel the need to look at Carroll like he's a role model, and his marriage is fundamentally the business of him and his wife. But he's a prominent representative - really, the most prominent representative - of the university, as well as the figurehead of a lot of charitable work. For the good of those two things that could otherwise be damaged by a public backlash, I hope that this accusation is unfounded. No doubt we'll find out.
As for Charlie Weis... this is just petty. The sight of a man attempting to demonstrate his probity by taking a swipe at a competitor is sad, really.
Perhaps the internal justification for Weis was that he was the recipient of absurd levels of abuse relative to his actual job failings? (Absolutely it was absurd). Was he insulted unfairly? (Yes, he certainly was.) Was it out of line to criticize his family as a proxy for him? (Hell yes, people should be ashamed of themselves.)
I'll go further: Charlie Weis did a lot of good things while he was at Notre Dame. He showed kindness to families (such as that opening play against Washington a couple of seasons ago), he does a lot of charity work, and his players plainly have a lot of respect for him.Anyone who could go into SC's locker room after what turned out to be his signature moral victory in 2005 is someone who can demonstrate praiseworthy behavior.
Why then so much disrespect for Weis in the press and the broader community? I suspect because he couldn't conceal his underlying belief that he was smarter than his coaching peers, and because he acted like a self-righteous ass towards people outside the program. It's no surprise then that he didn't get personal respect from people who might have had respect for him as a professional. All behavior counts, at some level. It might count more if you're not "fun," but that's life.
After five years of I-get-no-respect treatment (so far as Weis is concerned), Weis appears to have undertaken some kind of emotional catharsis by making a snide allegation about one peer who thwarted him every time. Weis also goes in the article about his friendship with Bill Belichik, a man not without accusations of infidelity in recent years. I assume that the search for Weis applying his strict moral standard in public to Belichik would be a fruitless one.
So this swipe at Carroll is understandable perhaps, but it's the action of a small man, and smacks of hypocrisy. If the relevant criteria for Weis to criticize infidelity are win / loss records and personal friendship, it doesn't really do a lot other than reinforce the negative opinions that other people had of you, no matter how much you claim they are false.
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UPDATE I (Paragon) 7:00am EST:
Here is a little more from CFT...(It would appear that some have some journalistic standards...)
Since he's in the market for a new job, maybe Charlie Weis should work here at CFT's "Latest News & Rumors."
He certainly has some juicy stuff on his mind.
Apparently too juicy, as censors seem to be hard at work.
On Saturday, the former Notre Dame head coach sat down with five reporters for his first interview since being fired on Nov. 30.
Tim Prister of IrishIllustrated.com was one of the writers on hand and reported more than others, including what appears to clearly be a vicious personal attack aimed at USC head coach Pete Carroll, whom Weis went winless against in five meetings.
Toward the end of meandering discussion about how Weis is perceived and who he feels he really is, a follow-up question brought up Carroll's name.
Weis seemingly cut off the question and had a few of his own when he said:
"Let me ask you this question: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news. He's doing it in Malibu and it's not national news. What's the difference? I don't understand. Why is it okay for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I'm scrutinized when I swear. I'm sorry for swearing; absolve my sins."
As of 2:55 a.m. ET, Prister's Weis Q&A, including the segment above is still posted at Rivals.com (pictured below).
However, the TMZ-esque talk is apparently too hot for IrishIllustrated.com. The quotes about Carroll are not currently included in what we assume was the original version of Prister's report.
We've got a feeling that this is far from over. Stay tuned.
So, Weis said it in front of five journalists and the only one who ran with it was Irish Illustrated? Figures..
Weis is horrible person for bring this up.
This is far from over...
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UPDATE II (Paragon) 8:20am EST:
Pete Carroll denies the allegation...
USC Coach Pete Carroll said statements about him that were attributed to former Notre Dame Coach Charlie Weis on an Internet site were “untrue” and “irresponsible.”
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Carroll said in a telephone interview that he was apprised of the report by Tim Tessalone, USC’s sports information director.
“It’s untrue, it’s irresponsible and it’s incredible he’d be talking about me like that,” Carroll said of Weis.
Weis is such a clown!
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UPDATE III (Paragon) 1:40pm EST:
Weis claims the quotes were "taken out of context"...
Former Notre Dame Coach Charlie Weis said today that comments he made about USC Coach Pete Carroll in an interview published by an Internet website were taken “totally out of context.”
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Early this morning, Weis contacted The Times and said he was having a “totally subjective” conversation with several reporters that was an aside to the formal interview. During that conversation, Weis said, he was speaking about Internet rumors and how they adversely affect the lives of coaches and their families.
“In no way was I trying to take a shot at Pete,” Weis said in a phone message. “What we were talking about was how the rumor mill can affect people’s lives. When I was asked a specific question like that, I responded like, 'This is the same crap that I’m talking about.' You start saying things like this and one thing, this guy does this and I do that and all of a sudden the Internet takes it all over the place.
"So, in no way was I trying to take a shot at Pete. I feel if I offended Pete, I will run Pete down and apologize. ... In no way do I have any idea what’s going on in anyone’s life other than the fact that rumors on the Internet can affect coaches' lives in a very, very negative fashion.”
Later, in a telephone interview, Weis said, “In no way would I be disrespectful to that guy,” and “All I know is that he kicked the crap out of me five times.”
Weis said he had left a message for Carroll.
Prister declined to comment.
Out of context or not Weis should know better...especially with a shill like Pritser. Right, the guy who writes for a Notre Dame skewed fan site is going to be objective over something like that.
Maybe he was trying to use or make up some sort of parallel but the last thing you should do is use your biggest rivals coach as that example. I am sure that ND fans were eating this up. Weis' family has always been treated fairly since he was at ND so I am very surprised that he would even go down this road...I mean why take the chance.
More will come out...just wait.
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And he wonders why he's treated differently
Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright.
by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Dec 5, 2009 11:15 PM PST reply actions
Very Sad
But, begs the question, how can this fly UTR in LA? PC’s personal life shouldn’t be anyone’s business, but sadly, I’m afraid that it is because he has promoted himself to be such a civic leader.
What?
but sadly, I’m afraid that it is because he has promoted himself to be such a civic leader.
What does that have to do with it? Because he is a public figure he is target. If I had a dollar for every doctor that I knew was sleeping with some nurse throughout my career I could retire…and these guys hold the public trust don’t you think? But it doesn’t get out because it doesn’t matter
Weis is a scumbag…
If PC’s wife or alleged GF went public with this then that is one thing…but for Weis to “out” PC like this horrible. (Kobe did it to Shaq IIRC)
I love all the mock anger an finger wagging going on out there as if everyone is a bunch of angels out there. You are only as bad as your secrets and everyone has some.
Regardless of what some may think of him Pete didn’t deserve this…I would have deleted this but it is out there now everywhere so I am not going to bury my head in the sand.
No one deserves this…not Nuehiesel, Meyer, Saban…NO ONE! That includes Weis if the shoe was on the other foot.
This sort of invasion of privacy is horrible. I am not going to judge PC for this…what he does in his private life (outside of the public eye not his charity work outside of USC) is none of our business.
Pathetic
Weis was already damaged goods, but with this he’s officially retired himself from football.
There’s been rumors about this among the “Wisteria Lane” cougars in Manhattan Beach for years now, but no one had the temerity to bring them into the public forum until this sanctimonious bastard. Whatever happened (if it happened) is between PC and his wife, they’re still married so it’s in the past.
F*ck that Fat A$$hole, he’s an embarrassment to Notre Dame. They should take him to court over his Golden Domer parachute for conduct detrimental to the University.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
The counter argument is...
that PC is a public figure, role model, and receives significant endorsement money. I absolutely agree that it is no one’s business outside of PC’s family. And, it probably isn’t true. And, I will certainly not think any less of him anyway. There are several variations on what structure of a relationship that a married couple can successfully have.
But, let’s not be naive. PC is the king of LA, which is the paparazzi capitol of the world. The salacious aspect is if it is with a current USC student. There will be evil forces working to bring down the king. Remember how Internet rumors brought down Tim Floyd. Remember how incredibly incompetent our AD Garrett is. Look at what the press is doing to Tiger.
Just saying that this story scares me a bit. Hopefully, there is nothing to it and it disappears quickly.
Wow what the heck is that, I guess there relationship goes back to the NFL, why would Charlie even bring that stuff up.
Is it the games played against each other, did Pete do something wrong in getting his team ready to win. Or is the recruiting challenge that goes on between them, what do they say against one another. I can’t believe that they even talk to each other and Pete has never done anything in the press towards Weis. Has Pete used any propaganda against CW like Rick Neuhesel has done to PC, I think not.
So why this and why now, is it the fact that Weis got paid 18 million to leave and he will not be going after any College jobs. Wow really think about that 18 MILLION DOLLARS, in this time of unemployment and economic downturn, this guy is set for life. Well you go Charlie Brown you go, because not playing against you will be great. WHAT A CHUMP!
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 6, 2009 5:19 AM PST reply actions
The other rediculous thing about this is...
How on earth would Weis potentially have this information if it were true? It’s not like Pete is sharing any secrets with him.
Also, I’m pretty sure that PC is the type to get to the office before 6 and leave after 8…quite frankly, if Pete is commuting an hour each way to/from Malibu, that doesn’t leave him with a whole lot of time to be fooling around on the side. Not that it’s not possible; just not plausible. It’s more likely he’s getting with students in his office than up in Malibu, but the thought of either is kind of absurd.
I’m sure Weis felt like he was “giving back” to the Irish on his way out of town by trying to slander the Trojans’ head coach and bring him trouble/distraction. Hopefully he just crawls in a hole somewhere and enjoy his big paycheck with his mouth shut. But that’s just as likely as PC’s affair, so…
If I am not mistaken doesn't Pete live in the South Bay area, doesn't he do weekly night runs in South central.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 6, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
The partying
(if any actually took place) would have been in Hermosa/Manhattan Beach, not Malibu. Pete lives in Palos Verdes and has a place in Hermosa.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 6, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
That's why Weis is such a lyin' bitch!
What the hell would Pete be doing in Malibu? Not too many gangs there. None of his players live there. Tessalone doesn’t live there does he?
Weis has got only 2 things going for him right now. His daughter and his severance. No wonder he’s taking shots at “his daddy” (pete owns his him! remember what he said before he ever jotted down an X or an O?). You’re right Loco, he just signed his “quarantine” papers- anybody with shrivel of tact and decorum will not consider Chunky Charlie for a job. . . . .even as an ANALyst.
I’ve always wanted to say this, but didn’t (‘cause I love you Paragon, wouldn’t want to tarnish CC in any way- but hopefully it’s open season?) Chunky Charlie has The Camel Toe of the century!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 6, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
His behavior isn't Catholic
He’s going directly against everything the Church and his beloved Notre Dame stands for. The Fat Man has done good things in his life, especially with his work to fund Autism research but with this kind of crap he loses all credibility. Was he working for those poor kids, or just trying to make himself look good?
Here’s some excerpts from an article about the Fat Man in the Catholic Report, the title of the article: Notre Dame Football Coach Charlie Weis, A Catholic Leader Who Leads By Example, By David Hartline
If you have ever worked for Catholic institutions as I have, you sometimes hold your breath wondering how well someone new who emerges in a Catholic oriented leadership position will represent the faith. We have many leaders that we can all be very proud of yet it often seems that the media loves to focus on their warts. Notre Dame Coach Charlie Weis is a leader who has immediately gained the respect of the mainstream media. Underneath the gruff persona lies a man who has a great big heart.
Charlie Weis continues to show his character, which in turn, reflects positively on the university and the Church itself. After the heartbreaking loss in the final seconds to the nation’s number one team University of Southern California (USC) Trojans last Saturday, Weis walked into the USC Trojan locker room and congratulated the winning team. This was made equally hard by the fact that the Irish thought that they had won after time rolled off the clock and the fans came onto the field, only to be told USC had one more play which they subsequently scored on in a somewhat controversial manner. A different coach might have dwelled on what could have or should have been. Coach Weis wasn’t dwelling on the negative; he was thinking about how to overcome the next challenge. An example all of us in the Church should ponder.
As a fellow Catholic, I’m embarrassed; but the University of Notre Dame has hit rock bottom when it comes to defining what WE are supposed to stand for. The unraveling was front page news this past spring when Dear Leader was invited to speak at the 2009 Commencement. What did they put in the water up in South Bend? They are sacrificing everything they’ve stood for in the name of what? Things need to change at Notre Dame, an it should start at the top, the Rev. John I. Jenkins should step down immediately.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 6, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Weis = Capital Cunt
That fat freak couldn’t hack it as a Head Coach, so he tries to take one of the very best HC’s in college football down with him.
Couldn’t beat PC with is X’s and O’s, so he decides to beat him by scandalizing his name and tarnishing his image.
Are all bets are off Paragon? ‘Cause in the next few days I’m gonna lay some lumber on this fat fuck!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
I'm looking forward to seeing you unleashed Bix
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 6, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't realize he was "living" with a grad student in Malibu
If that’s even the case. I knew he had a pad in HB, but what does that matter to anyone? That’s his life. CW certainly doesn’t have a leg to stand on, and it’s quite rude to bring up people’s personal lives into the profession.
That kind of stuff will really help him find a job
everyone wants a 500 pound rat around.








