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[UPDATED] Some Interesting "Quotes" from Norm Chow...

I am putting the update here at the top - P

UPDATE:

Not Surpised by this at all...

Norm Chow plans to return as UCLA's offensive coordinator in 2010.

Chow wasn't as clear about his intentions immediately following the EagleBank Bowl.

After causing a bit of a stir among fans and media folk, Chow wanted eliminate any further speculation, so he delivered his message -- without ambiguity -- through a athletic department spokesperson.

Now that that is settled....

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Star-divide

I am not one these conspiracy theorists who wonder "what if" when it comes to Norm Chow.

There have been a few rumors floating around out there about Chow coming back to USC and how unhappy he is at ucla. I don't know the validity about any of that. Chow left, for whatever the reason, so to me that is a closed chapter in the Pete Carroll era at USC.

Up to this point it has been just a bunch of rumors and innuendo from message boards posters who are supposedly "in the know". To me it makes interesting reading but I really haven't given it much thought. We really haven't heard anything on the subject from Chow so to me there really isn't much to this...until yesterday.

 

Now, I am not sure of the context and I have a hard time trusting anything Simers says for the obvious reason that he likes to stir the pot but even I raised my eyebrows when I read this...

The only question then, will Chow be here next season to oversee Prince's development?

His answer, nothing but a smile after the bowl win, and when the question was repeated, Chow said, "Check back next week."

How's this for a devilish thought? Would USC try to bring Chow back, thereby appeasing irritated Trojans fans unhappy with the play-calling, while heightening the tension between UCLA and USC?

"That'd be interesting," Chow said with another grin.

Would Carroll agree to such a thing? A few weeks ago he raced 50 yards down the field to embrace Chow, the guy Carroll is not supposed to like, so was that for show, or an initial overture?

Whatever, isn't it odd that Chow's answer wasn't an immediate "Of course I'll be back"? Isn't it odd he never did answer the question?

Maybe this is a leverage play to win a raise, and if Prince is the key to the Bruins' success, pay him.

I would agree with the last sentence...nothing more than leverage. And that is pretty brazen.

When Chow first came on at ucla I was wondering how long before those two would butt heads over the direction of the offense. Slick Rick doesn't want to seed control to ANYONE...I don't care what he has said publicly.

Chow has a history of always looking for more money...he did it at USC and there was no way he would have taken the ucla job on its merits without that Tennessee money already in his hip pocket. He could have gone anywhere else but he chose ucla to poke USC in the eye. So far the experiment really hasn't paid off. Prince continues to struggle, though it would appear that he gives ucla the best chance to win. Brehaut is not looking to be all that was advertised, though Slick Rick wants to give him a shot...if for no other reason than to at least foster some semblance of competition between the two.

There is no question that Prince is tough. He has stood tall and been a human pinball back there all season.

I am not really sure I am interested in having Chow back. I mean has anything really changed? This whole idea of "getting the band back together" has just as many issues as it did back in 2003/04. In my experience grown men get MORE stubborn as they get older not less. And I am not sure that Pete Carroll has had some Epiphany about seeding control of USC's offense after all that he has been through the past few years.

I won't deny that the comments by Chow is interesting but I do think it is all about leverage. Chow is all about the Benjamen's...always has been, always will be. That is fine, but that will never change.

And even if he did want to come back that magic is gone and it is never coming back...

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You’re probably right that this is just a case of Chow yanking Carroll’s chain.

Here’s the one “what if” suggestion I’ll allow myself on the subject (today, at least): Pete Carroll couldn’t have made it any more clear that he thinks that Barkley is the future of the team, on offense anyway. If he’s effectively nailed his pants to the flagpost, would that be motivation enough to kiss and make up with Chow to make the Barkley predictions more possible?

by DC Trojan on Dec 30, 2009 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

I doubt it's about money...

…Rick has already gone to Morgan Center to get a raise for Chow and been turned down. While Norm gets a bonus in 2010, that salary is still below market value and in 2011 it gets lowered again. The bruins are just not going to pay enough for assistants, never will. Keep this in mind, a month ago Norm had Steve Clarkson put his name out in the press for head coaching offers. Chow wants out of UCLA, the only question is to where.

by ev on Dec 30, 2009 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Its about money

Its also about not liking Neuheisel. Norm doesn’t like to be second guessed. He publicly took a contrary opinion to Neuheisel’s in the press multiple times this year. Its clear that the relationship between them is not rosy.

by frak on Dec 30, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry I wasn't clear..

It is about money like you say. It’s just not about getting money out of UCLA. That well is dry, Norm is looking for a new payday

by ev on Dec 30, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Personally I think Norm’s reasons for leaving goes in this order:

1. Money
2. No potential with current players
3. Damage to his reputation when things don’t seem to be turning around fast enough
4. Dislike of head coach

by frak on Dec 30, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Regarding point #4: Norm likes Neuheisel. Only #1 carries water, ucla just can’t afford him so they will need major donations to keep him. Good luck with that.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 30, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think its out of the question

Assistants have left, and assistants have come back. Holt and 2 tenures with USC, and Jethro Franklin is on his second term. If Pete wants Norm back all he has to do is say the word.

First of all Bates needs to go to the NFL for anything to happen. Shanahan is almost sure to have an NFL head coaching job, and there is a chance he could call Bates back to the NFL. If Bates leaves, I don’t see why Pete wouldn’t consider looking at Norm as a replacement. I tend to agree with Paragon about the magic being gone, but maybe Norm is the missing piece to the offensive puzzle. I think he would definitely improve our passing game, and maybe he would eliminate the bubble screen.

I agree its about money with Norm. USC can pay more than ucla by far for an assistant. Sark made $850 thousand his last year with us, and that is probably what Norm wants. His family likes being in L.A. so that’s another incentive to hook up with ucla or USC.

All its going to take for Norm to come back is Pete saying that he wants him. Believe that.

by frak on Dec 30, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

This IS the entire story
I agree its about money with Norm. USC can pay more than ucla by far for an assistant. Sark made $850 thousand his last year with us, and that is probably what Norm wants. His family likes being in L.A. so that’s another incentive to hook up with ucla or USC.

They’re very comfortable in their Manhattan Beach home and it’s just as easy to commute to USC. He’s looking for a $1M payday, but he’ll have to go to the highest bidder.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 30, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be like Christmas All Over Again!

I agree with Frak. PC likes assistants who have shared in the success of the program and know the program. We have seen the learning curve for green assistants new to PC’s style.

Norm Chow is arguably the greatest OC in college football history. USC has one of the greatest pools of offensive talent in the country. The Norm Chow OC years at USC, and I will include 2005 because Sarkiffian kept Chow’s style alive that year, were the greatest offensive display in USC football history and one of the greatest offenses in college football history.

This is a match made in heaven! I believe PC has been humbled a bit and knows that he needs more seasoned help with the offense. Norm must be ready to give up on his head coaching search and settle for the next best thing – USC OC.

This would be AWESOME!!!!! Make it happen, Pete!!!!

by DFWTrojan on Dec 30, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

Well the 2 great freshman Hasiak and X Fielo are leaving, after one season over at Mirrors are Us they all figure out whats going on.

It is all about the Weasel, he only cares about himself and has no control of his team.

.SAM GILBERT IS COMING TO TAKE BACK THE BOOK OF CHEATING!

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 30, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

SoCal, you are aware, are you not,

that XSF is going on a mission and Hasiak, who IIRC never was a starter, may be gone because of personal issues that have nothing to do with neuheisel? Doesn’t sound to me like they have “figured out what’s going on” and hate Neuheisel. Geez, get a grip.

by ucladj89 on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You really do hate me don't, well we all got opinions 89.

Oh and thats right you don’t want to hear about the 60s

.SAM GILBERT IS COMING TO TAKE BACK THE BOOK OF CHEATING!

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't "hate" you SoCal

I’m just easily amused by your inspired commentary.

by ucladj89 on Dec 30, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

fantasyland

it would be great to have Norm back, if Pete lets him do the job.

but i have said this before -we don’t need Norm, Sark, or even bill walsh to run the west coast offense.

pull out the playbooks from 2001 to 2005 and use the plays that work with the players you have now, because they are probably the same ones norm would run if he came back to USC.

Its not just the plays you call but when you call them and which players you use to run them. thats the OC job. if you can’t trust him, he shouldn’t have been hired.

also, hiring Norm would only solve one part of the problem.
because the offense didn’t give up all those points to oregon and stanford.

by xgenx on Dec 30, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

#1 Scoring Defense in the PacX

the injuries that resulted in the mid-season collapse are remedied with healthy bodies.

by DFWTrojan on Dec 30, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, if nothing else, Bruins fans can have a chuckle at us daring to dream ;)

by DC Trojan on Dec 30, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

He who laughs last...

They’re hanging this on the $250,000 he’s due on the first day of spring practice. IT’S CHUMP CHANGE! His signing bonus would be several times the amount. Chow is available, and If PC wants him it gets done; that’s all there is to the story, for now.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 30, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that's what telling it like it is, sounds like!

I hear you SoCal, I find his observations about USC to be waning, at best. He’s so far up everybody that USC plays, they choke on his rants. Craig James doesn’t like ‘SC, that’s for sure.

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 30, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude! You're on a roll today!

And fricking hilarious as always. Bless you brotha! You’ve made my day more than any other here on CC. Fucking A! you’re a crack-up!

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 30, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Wow, could this thing have legs? I can’t allow myself to dream about it until there is something more substantial. I will be most excited about the future of Trojan football if it happens, of course, but a secondary benefit will be the pure pleasure of a “Chowistas” takeover of the wearesc.com board.

by DFWTrojan on Dec 30, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

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