Why have some American folk forgotten their way!
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 21, 2009 4:27 PM PST
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Today most of America has lost the values it once had, only looking out for themselves not others. After watching the Blind Side again you really see the kindness that the Tuohy Family has that use to be common place in the US in 50s—70s. These people helped out someone in need and not for financial gain or fame. Although the Ncaa would say different but mainly Micheal Oher told them to take a hike.
One of the reasons I bring this up is the latest problem with a college athlete driving someone else’s car. The media has nothing else to do but throw stuff out there to harm others and make a name for them selves. Listening to Petros and Money rape Joe Mac and Wolfee complain that he is to difficult to talk too, makes me want to hurl. As wolf said that Joe complained that the media has ruined his life this week, and acted like that couldn’t be so and PMS agreeing made me see them as the Scum that they are.
I am glad for Micheal Oher and that he made it even though the Ncaa painted a picture that this family only help him, because they wanted him to go to Ol Miss. I say, why can’t families help out under privileged players and people to better them selves. I mean even if this kid didn’t make it to the NFL or College at least he got a nice education at a private Christian School. The rules are a bunch of Crap period and a high court needs to step in and change it. As for the Media not getting their way, well I say to the Gallows for them and maybe they will think before they write.
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I saw the movie and read the book…the movie really pales in comparison to the book, which was top-notch. The film got a bit too much love from the critics but it’s still quality work.
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by Joey Kaufman on Dec 22, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, the world would be a terrible place
if everyone took in someone in need in order to help them get into their alma mater.
Does anyone still listen to PMS? I used to be a Petros fan, but he takes too much delight in proving he is not a USC homer, and has really become kind of a hater. Also its just not that good of a show. Its curious that a guy as thin skinned as Petros (he hates Matt Leinart with a burning passion because one time 5 years ago Leinart blew him off for an interview) couldn’t understand that Joe McKnight has actually had his life ruined for the last week, and lord help him, Wolfie is the last person he should be talking to.
Blindside was a great book
All those Michael Lewis books are. I think MoneyBall is the best sports book that I have ever read. Plan on seeing the movie this week, Paul. Hey, while were are talking about movies, you guys should rent Anvil: The Story of Anvil. Don’t need to be a metalhead to enjoy this touching human drama. Very entertaining.
The thing is...this statement...
why can’t families help out under privileged players and people to better them selves.
leads to a very slippery slope. I understand what you are saying..Why can’t good people help out good but perhaps poor people? Makes sense, right? The problem is, there are way too many BAD people who want to help out good kids…And way more bad people who want to help out bad kids. If the NCAA ever loosened up its stance on players receiving extra benefits, then the proverbial Pandora’s box would be opened like you’ve never seen before..
Think about it…Small schools like Utah, TCU, Boise St. etc, feel like they don’t have a fighting chance now…It would be 10 times worse if the so called “big” schools were able to find ways for players to get “help”..those smaller teams would never have a shot..
The best thing to do is not allow any player, poor or rich, to get any assistance from anyone. Its really the only way to keep things fair.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
You my friend are part of the problem, this why the world is always at ends with each other NO TRUST MY NEIBOR.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 22, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
please tell me
you’re kidding…
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
NO
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
perhaps you're reading me wrong then..
im not saying that players in need shouldn’t be helped. I’d be a jackass if i thought that…i just don’t trust the NCAA to regulate paying players.
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Oh now I get it SORRY then and I agree about that Nazi Organization
Have a great Xmas and Super new year and don’t beat the Longhorns to badly, my cousin is a Texas Alum.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I would rather that 10,000 poor kids get helped
than TCU be competitive. My biggest problem with the NCAA is that they put things like competition ahead of the well being of students. Take the scholarship limits. Rich schools like ND, USC, Texas, Alabama should be allowed as many scholarships as they can afford. Lesser schools will still need people to play football and offer scholarships. Everyone wins, football is being played and kids are being educated.
Who cares if a kid gets a few bucks here or there? Try to prevent the worst abuses, but don’t crack down on the little stuff.
If you want to be shocked, read up on the history of amateurism in the United States. The principles that people guard as morally right were originally created to keep the poor and the non white out of collegiate athletics. At the US Golf Open in the 19th century professional golfers weren’t even allowed to change in the same locker rooms as the professionals, because the pros were too common to share a room with the gentlemen amateurs. The whole idea was that if you prevented schools from compensating players it would prevent “the wrong sort” of competing.
Have we come along way from those days? You bet, but we still have a long way to go. The NCAA allows players something like 30 dollars for a weekend food stipend. Hard to feed a 300 pounder on 15 dollars a day (if its not 1955). What about athletes with kids? No real help. It sure would be horrible if rich educational institutions could offer a little extra help to struggling families, but that might make Akron less competitive, so we need to think about maximizing merchandise sales and regional TV contracts which go up when parity exists.
I’m not sure what the answer is, but I do know that billions are made literally on the backs of college football players, and yet when a player is accused of taking a pair of shoes or a couple of bucks (all of which is in violation of no – 0- laws) he’s treated far worse that many white collar criminals.
by ilium55 on Dec 22, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 and thanks for the foresight and extra info. Hell I played tennis in college paid mt own way by working as a bartender at night.
If I didn’t have that job I would have never played. Then later my family took in a teammate of mine so he could continue to live out here and play at LBSU, he was from florida. But my family wasn’t a booster but just good people.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 22, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
They’re in the ridiculous maze of rules the government created with Title IX. If they start compensating one group of athletes they’ll have to compensate all of them. The morons in Congress don’t have the guts to liberate these kids from their bondage. Honestly the best thing the players could do is what college students do best, protest and sit in. Change will have to come from the bottom up.
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
So true Loco so true, heck Thomas Jefferson's Slaves ate better than today's Ncaa athletes.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
Bingo! How much of Chano’s’ goo can a guy take in four years?
Here’s a good vocab word for the geniuses in congress that want to kill the BCS: Manumission.
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
If they start compensating one group of athletes they’ll have to compensate all of them.
And thats the problem.,if the gate was opened..how the heck would you regulate it? Would players need contracts? How would it be decided which player got paid what?
I’m all for NCAA players being compensated…I just don’t believe there is a way to do it and do it right..
"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban
Bondage? You’re coming perilously close to saying that college football players are wage slaves whose surplus value is being expropriated by their (ostensibly) academic bosses.
There’s nothing wrong here that a good dose of free market principles couldn’t fix. Here are a few ideas off the top of my head:
- end restrictions on athlete’s ability to transfer
- end university’s ability to restrict where they go
- establish a universal floor – or minimum wage if you will – for support of athletes under Title IX
- allow universities to vary the minimum wage by up to say 50 – 100%, as long as it’s published
- allow any sport that turns a profit to increase the athlete allowance by something like 300 – 500% of the base
I think you are right
the suggestions you propose would help a great deal. The transfer stuff is another thing thats not aimed at helping the student, just helping the University. I would add that we should also get rid of the scholarship limits. I would also like to see the NCAA set aside some of that vast revenue to provide long term care insurance for players seriously injured as a result of their playing (especially in light of the new info on concussions).
I think of it more as an indentured servitude — especially in light of that decision that prevented Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett from playing in the NFL. If you work at a less than market rate for your passage to the pros, riches await you.
The free market generally works, this is an instance where NCAA policies are preventing it from doing its job. If we give some bargaining power (ie the ability to transfer, some financial security, no prohibition on going pro) back to the players both sides will be able to work out a better situation for themselves.
Great one also 55 I will petition for VP for you along side of DC
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
That's exactly what I meant DC
The enlightened educators derive enormous profit from their charges’ toil. I like each and every one of your suggestions. I even agree they should pay minimum wage to non-revenue athletes, just adjust the practice hours allowed for each sport so it doesn’t kill the program. It would cause discomfort to Title IX Championship factories like fUcla, but if they want to stuff their trophy cases they should pay for that luxury.
The only transfer restrictions should be: 1. Only one is allowed. 2. It has to be to a different conference.
The minimum wage should be the equivalent across all Div I football programs. There should be a cost of living adjustment for high cost of living areas so no school has an advantage.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
So I guess Loco you will become secretary of Teasury
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Treasury is what I meant
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
How'd you do that?
These propositions are well-reasoned and equitable for all parties concerned. Did you just whip these out, DC? My goodness, tell the brand of coffee, and tell me now! I want some. I can hardly match a pair of socks in the morning, let alone remember IF free market principles actually ever existed, when, where, for how long, and in what current form are they defined as today?
For that matter, what DAY is it today?
(DC, I command you to quit being such a budget-fusser! A bureau-bustin’-bamboozler! To stop analyzing numbers, weighing costs, and formulating well-reasoned conclusions and remedies. It’s so un-American. How’s your family btw? I’ll bet you’re all choked up at Landon staying stateside? Euro’s know better. . . .after 2 stints, they’d better! My Chivas lost out though, and for this I got royally sorted! Luggaged, I’ll tell ya!)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 23, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
That leaves you Bix as Secretary of State
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I just like transparency and simplicity. Life rarely works that way, alas.
As for Landon Donovan, I’m neither here nor there about it. He’s very talented but I don’t care for him, so I wasn’t too thrilled about him going on loan to Everton, a team I like. But if it keeps them in the mix for European football in 2010, so be it.
DC that is what I am talking about Great job, I will vote for you next President
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Don't worry we can get the new surgeon General (Paragon) to doctor your Birth Certificate.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Recd!
Epic comment!!!!!!
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
I really get sick of the
“If only everything was like it was in the 1950s or 60s” talk.
For one thing, if Michael Oher had been around in the 1960s, he wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to enroll at Ole Miss, let alone be taken in by a white family and provided the opportunities that were available to him in the 2000s.
The NCAA does indeed make certain exceptions – though, admittedly, they are rare. I can think of both Oher’s situation, as well as Ray Ray McElrathbey, who was provided an exception by the NCAA to raise funds for his brother’s education, as Ray Ray was his brother’s legal guardian because his father had either left (or was dead, I can’t remember), and his mother had a serious drug problem.
Frankly, trying to make the tangible argument that Joe McKnight’s “right” to have a Range Rover provided to him and his girlfriend by a family friend and comparing this to either Oher’s or McElrathby’s situation is patently absurd, and the opportunities that Oher had presented to him never would have occurred in 1950s or 1960s Mississippi.
It really wasn’t that much better in the 60s. You just think it was.
Well the Joe M. thing really wasn't going to be brought into this, but listening to PMS on the way home made me put it in.
This didn’t take place in Miss. it was in Kentucky but as for the 60s that was when you could count on people. Well I guess you know it all about life in america , so go ahead and get sick about it if that is what you want.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 22, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Patently absurd?
SoCal’s commentary regarding the need for JoeMac & USC Athletic Compliance office to provide paperwork to the NCAA for just driving the damn vehicle isn’t ‘patently absurd’, weighed against the previous cases involving Oher, nor the one you included in your reply. What makes it absurd? Obviously all three situations involve college athletes, all three cases involve possible/potential infractions according to NCAA bylaws on competition in college athletics, (now, I’m not entirely sure of the case which you provided in Ray Ray whomever?) and both Oher and McKnight were/are under investigation for possible wrong-doing and their respective universities face/faced serious consequences if they are/were deemed to be guilty of violating said, respective bylaws.
So, each and every case mentioned by you and SoCal are entirely different from the other? SoCal never mentioned nor espoused a direct link to them, he only mentioned the fact that both these young men had/have to prove themselves to be innocent of violating the respective laws they are/were allegedly accused of violating. Both men come from poverty-stricken and highly undesirable family backgrounds. Both men, potentially put themselves, their families, their universities, and their future in limbo by being accused of their alleged misconduct. What’s pretty absurd here, is that you’d equate the severity of their alleged ‘crimes’ as a reason to dismiss the ‘spirit’ of SoCal’s commentary.
The last time I checked, humanity doesn’t erect statues for critics. Furthermore, the last thing the world needs is MORE Captain Obvious’. You’re whole “they’re not the same, you’re foolish” argument is the only patently absurd thing I’ve read in this thread. Who’s Ray McElrathby and does he know his name is being utilized in an allegedly ‘patently absurd’ post, and the kicker is: his suitor’s use of his name only strengthens the validity of the author’s post- thereby making the suitor the only thing absurd in the process?
Dude, you’ve got talent.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 22, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!
Magnificent!
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Rey Rey McElrathbey was raising his little brother on a football player stipend until the NCAA granted an exception that allowed people to donate money and goods to help him out. You tell me how that’s the same in principle as McKnight rolling around in a Land Rover ostensibly paid for by his baby-momma’s boss – and I mean that both in the sense of NCAA violation potential and in the sense of a helping hand being given to someone in dire financial straits.
Which is a horse of a different color from whatever the local LA media have been saying about Joe McKnight. But they are separate issues.
*ostensibly
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Fair point. I don’t view this McKnight business as a moral failing, just a collision of lack of thought and bureaucratic folderol. It’s symptomatic of the kind of thinking that has people calling Terrell Owens a cancer. Funny, I thought cancer was a disease that’s killed or damn near killed a number of people I care about, and Terrell Owens was a jackass of monumental proportions. It’s sport, not the war of good against evil.
It's really not that deep
And it’s really not all that difficult to understand. Key word you’ve written in your comment, will unlock the chains that may or may not bind the people who are bound to insist “Joe McKnight’s situation isn’t worthy of being poor enough, nor noble enough to be compared to the likes of Michael Oher and Rey Rey Whozitzmacallit”? To that I say, “Say what?”. This isn’t the holocaust people. You know, where you hear all this crazy- yet, I’ll admit somewhat valid viewpoint, of the notion of NEVER EQUATING any old, garden variety war that’s been waged in human history with the tragic loss of human life and the manner in which it was done- with that of World War II and the comprehensive suffering experienced by many coupled with the near total extermination of an entire culture of one of the world’s oldest people. (I’m sorry, it’s just tragic if one life is lost in any war- so it sounds weird on many levels to say “a soldiers’ or civilian’s death in this war cannot compare to the death of this person in this war”? it’s just silly. but, as silly as it sounds to me, i’ll not begrudge that point of view based on the fact that i have the good fortune of not having to experience that pain and suffering as intimately as others have as well as it is definitely not within my sensibility of a decent human being to do so) We’re talking about murder and death in that one.
This is college football. And I’m afraid to say, I’m not in possession nor am I interested in subscribing to the machine that washes the college football brain that would attempt to equate the noble qualities of one athlete’s situation to that of another as it applies to the near draconian laws of fair-play, competitive benefits, and student/athlete restrictions that imposition college athletes today. Rey Rey and JoeMac are different- yes we can all agree on that by the sheer fact that their names don’t match on the investigation reports. This isn’t about which is a more ‘principled’ situation. It’s simply about the fact that these young men and women involved in college athletics are AS RESTRICTIVE to begin with.
I believe SoCal is merely implying, in the world in which we live today- have we, as fans, players, and decent hard-working American people gotten to the point where we actually CARE what type of car someone has borrowed and driven to and from school that it occupies our collective consciousness in debates relating to “principles”, or by spending the necessary (tax-payer?) money investigating such trivialities? Is this a morality issue? Is one restriction on athlete A, a more principled restriction than the restrictions placed on athlete B?
SoCal isn’t saying Joe Mac is on just as ‘solid ground’ as Oher, and for that matter- he’s not the one who brought in Rey Rey ? He never, not once justified or defended Joe Mac’s right to drive the damn car. He provided no commentary relating to Joe’s innocence, nor did he defend his actions. He merely stated the similarity of perception of guilt for being a young man who plays sports at the college level living under the duress of highly restrictive NCAA bylaws. What’s not to understand?
It’s all about restrictions and perceptions, not principles or severity of duress. That’s a whole different enchilada, and had SoCal defended Joe Mac’s actions or claimed his innocence in this matter. . . . .we’d all have ourselves the discussion you seem to want to have.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 23, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Bix, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one
Comparing Oher and McKnight’s situations and lamenting the NCAA compliance office for never making exceptions….look, I’m sorry, I just don’t agree that Oher and McKnight’s situations are in any way similar. Perhaps their family situations are similar, but their current predicaments are nothing alike, IMO.
I also don’t agree that the 60s were ‘that much better’. They really weren’t – look, I’m sure I’ll be saying the same thing about the 90s when I’m 65 as well, but the simple fact is Oher never would have been provided the opportunities he was afforded now in 1965 Mississippi. Ole Miss didn’t even integrate their football program until 1972, for crissake.
And in terms of having to ‘prove their innocence’, unfortunately, that’s the way the NCAA works. You think McKnight’s treatment is harsh? Tell that to Dez Bryant.
Bryant lied to the NCAA...
he actually didn’t do anything wrong.
it is always the cover up and never the crime that does you in!!
To be perfectly honest. . .
. . . I actually know very little of Oher’s case, and still prolly not enough after reading a few ‘googled’ items just a second ago. To that end, I also know very little of the “Blind Side” movie SoCal watched recently which, I gather, was the impetus for him to write this post of his. And Rey Rey ?, hadn’t ever heard or read of his name until you submitted it in your comment. And having admitted all this, I might very well have this entire polemic- as it applies to SoCal’s words and phrasing all wrong. (well, SoCal? what say you?)
In admitting my disposition in this matter, I’m probably not as overly invested in the minutiea of all the allegations at hand and at play here, and that may very well be the reason I haven’t or didn’t read too much into what SoCal is sincerely trying to convey here. If I am wrong, I just want you all to know that I’m not as informed as to make such unqualified arguments in defending SoCal’s right of position to putting McKnight in the same sentence as Oher or Rey Rey. I honestly just thought SoCal was touched by the movie’s take on the characters portrayed in the movie- that he bemoaned the situation of student/athletes in general, and the restrictions and limitations placed upon them in their attempts to gain a better chance of success in our institutions of higher learning. I interpreted his words to NOT be a rant on the treatment of McKnight, in specific. But a rant on the current state of college athletics in general, and the uphill fight for young men and women must be put through if they happen to be in violation of the NCAA’s rules of law and the media’s portrayal of such individuals.
Admittedly McKnight isn’t the male version of Rosa Parks- and I don’t believe SoCal is implying that. If he is, than he’s on his own in this. If he isn’t, than I’d have to agree to agree to disagree with you on this.
For what it’s worth, Paragon said it best with his Dez Bryant reply/comment to you on this: If McKnight drove this car JUST ONCE and it is proven that he did so without providing USC Compliance Dept the necessary information or documentation for it- punishment equal to the severity of his violation is warranted. Besides that, if he is on record (meaning: if the NCAA interviewed him with the full support of US laws at their disposal) as providing false statements and/or lying- he should be booted from USC immediately, if not sooner. However. . . . .if he was caught off guard by the snooping media and told them what he felt he should tell them (it really isn’t a lie if you’re not on tape and telling said lie to individuals who don’t have legal authority to 1- compel him make an official statement and 2- explain to him his rights, as an individual and citizen of the US of A, to have an attorney present and the ramifications if he elects to provide a false statement.
Otherwise, what do you think you’d do if you were him and were felt trapped in a media-frenzy/witch-hunt for perceived/alleged indiscretions of NCAA bylaws and codes of conduct for student/athletes? (I’m not defending him or his alleged lies, like I said- he’ll get what’s coming to him regardless. Just wanna know what you would do if, in his shoes in this matter. hint: saying, “I wouldn’t have driven the vehicle in the first place” doesn’t work with me. Let’s just try to stick with the given that is the reality of the situation we somewhat know has played out.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Well Bix I wasn't defending anyone I was just saying that the rules we make don't justify the means,.
I was just mainly talking about how Americans and the world has changed, that most are more occupied with themselves and not thy Neighbor. The problem today is most people do something so they will get attention for themselves and don’t care what the results are other than personal gain.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Whew!
You know what SoCal? I honestly didn’t think you were- which is why I felt the compulsion to speak my mind. (i even TRIED to see what others were seeing in your post. and i couldn’t. and i did this like . . . . . 4 or 5 times!!!! i gave up and wrote the 11:44 comment. i was literally, flummoxed)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 23, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
The reference to JM was how I had to listen to PMS and Wolff mainly crucify Joe and USC.
Now I have an Idea how Jesus must have felt, with the way those scum bags were talking about the situation. So it got me to add to my original thought and I probably didn’t do a very good job portraying it.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Expressionist-artist, James Ensor of Belgium. . .
. . . .an artist who’s work I thoroughly enjoy created a vast piece on display at The Getty called “Christ’s Entry into Brussels (1889)” This is an Expressionist masterpiece that depicts- basically a mob scene of grotesque individuals, politicians, certain European celebrities of reknown, and various peers, friends, and family relations as they walk towards the viewer. The whole setting looks to be something like a Mardi Gras parade. The Rolling Stones used Ensor’s skeleton-men on some of their album sleeves- with the band members portraying a line of Belgian-characters that, in Ensor’s view- are vermin consisting of party-animals, scumbag bourgeois and the self-important decadence they aspire towards- Get this: in the background is Jesus riding on his donkey (the full brightness of his supposed aura that Ensor somehow majestically make come off the canvas and seem lit up from behind is pretty amazing). Anyway, all the bourgeois seem unfazed and thoroughly blind to the fact that The Son of God is among them. Which begs the question: If, hypothetically, Jesus was to re-appear in physical form and start his Gospel all over again, right here, right now? Would anybody notice him?
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 23, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Only the ones who really have great vision, but there is a lot of Myopic people out there now.
Bix I am glad to have associated with you and Loco, because you two have some great insight. I have learn a lot from both of you and Yes Paragon you have given me some great checks and balance that I lost in the last 14 years working retail.
Thanks to all you guys are all great.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 23, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
This is a place of ideas Paul, and yours are every bit as important.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
The pleasure’s all mine SoCal. May our love of all-thing’s-Trojan go on forever and our kinship remain loyal- to and for each and everyone of us here on CC. Bruins, Bears, Ducks, Beavers, Wildcats, Sun Devils, Huskies, Cougs, and Cardinals alike. If not, just Trojans will do?
Merry Christmas funny man, keep that fire burnin’- Fight On!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Yes! God bless you Bix.
Humans are pagans at heart, we’re back to worshiping nature and false idols. In our enlightened time we’ve taken to worshiping “the environment” and “the planet” as gods, we even make offerings to appease them and do penance to curry favor. If I drive a Prius global warming will stop, I must prevent the extinction of the delta smelt, I must reduce my carbon footprint; we might as well do a global rain dance. Our sinful behavior must have been at fault for the extinction of the dinosaurs and billions of species lost through the ages as much as it was for the dodo bird. Who did those protohominids think they were, playing with fire.
Vive La Sociale, wrote Ensor in the banner above; he was predicting our future. The smallness of the radiant Christ figure in the background within the vacuous mob, summarized the world we were destined to live in. The unthinking river of humanity is moving inexorably down a path to what? Whom are we following? We stand in front of the canvas in pure emptiness.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 23, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Wow!
Just wow. (it is my hope, nay- my personal belief that, as far as “. . . . humanity is moving inexorably down a path to what?”- well I say “towards each other for, one another”
Final answer!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 24, 2009 2:07 AM PST up reply actions
Protohominids?
Prometheus, poor m-fer! He shouldn’t have told us how to create that damn fire! But I sure am glad he made us out of clay as a present for Zeus. It’s just too bad about the whole ‘fire’ thing he did for us. And I hope being chained to a rock for all eternity and having his pancreas eaten outta his body on a daily basis by that ginormous eagle is too much of a bother either?
I wonder what Oppenheimer’s punishment would be if he were an immortal? Can you imagine what God is saying to Oral Roberts right now? (sheeeeeesh!)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
WTF is a "Bruin Shooter?"
I hear green Chartreusse, sticky sweet herbs and weeds that turn bitter with envy.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
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