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(UPDATED) McKnight should be ruled ineligible...simple as that!

UPDATE:

And the other shoe dropped...

Schenter Repsonds! Check out the LAT HT - DFW Trojan in the FanPosts!

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You are going to need a pretty solid paper trail to show that Joe McKnight DID NOT do anything wrong in regadrs to the SUV he was driving.

After going over the article in the LAT again this morning a little more stands out. Aside from the article stating that the reporter saw McKnight driving away ALONE in the SUV which is obviously contradictory to what McKnight has stated in the article, there is this...(emphasis added)

Approached Wednesday after practice, McKnight acknowledged riding in the Land Rover but said he has never driven it. McKnight said his girlfriend, Johana Michelle Beltran, works as a secretary for Schenter, although the player said he did not know him.

[...]

USC asks its athletes to provide written documentation about the vehicles they drive on campus. McKnight said Wednesday that he had not provided the school information on the Land Rover because he hadn't driven it.

However, Todd Dickey, USC's senior vice president for administration, said Friday that McKnight did provide the school with written documentation that he was driving the vehicle. Tim Tessalone, USC's sports information director, said the running back had been "mistaken" in his account to The Times. Tessalone declined a request to see the documentation or say when the information was filed.

Fine...

Star-divide

So, McKnight denies that he ever drove the vehicle in the article, but USC says he filed paperwork for it? Then Tessalone "corrects" McKnight's version of the story as "mistaken"?

So what is the story?

McKnight better have an airtight alibi...I mean what part of "did you EVER drive the vehicle?" do you not understand?

I realize I am not a college graduate but even if unintentional (highly doubtful) I can see that McKnight borke the rules. I mean he knew the rules enough to submit paperwork that he was driving the vehicle. He knew the rules enough to say enough to acknowledge he could in trouble if he did drive the vehicle. This is such a slam dunk that I see no reason why USC hasn't already ruled him ineleigible. The bigger question I have is IF the compliance office has the paperwork on the SUV did anyone ask the right questions as to who, what, where, when, why?

The article states that McKnight grew up in a low-income area so I think it is pretty clear that no one from his family bought the car. That is an easily asked & answered question. If the ex-girfriend/mother of McKnight's son is driving the SUV the next question is even easier...where did she get the vehicle? But that gets tricky...if she isn't a student at the school then SC has a tough road to hoe in getting the info on that vehicle by simply asking the question. She has no obligation to answer any of the schools questions but if she didn't it doesn't take a genius to figure out that she probably has something to hide. As I have said before in reagrds to Bush and Mayo, there are privacy issues that need to be addressed so SC's hands are a bit tied.

Now, McKnight should know better simply because even the smallest appearance of impropriety would turn this type of issue into a major s*** storm.

Wolf offers up some history...

This isn't the first time a high-profile tailback in Los Angeles has been involved in an SUV scandal. In 2001, UCLA tailback DeShaun Foster was deemed ineligible by the NCAA for driving a Ford Expedition of a friend of an agent.

He missed the final three games of his career.

In Foster's case, UCLA suspended Foster when it learned from the NCAA of the possible infraction and waited for an NCAA ruling. The NCAA determined Foster to be ineligible, and he never played for the Bruins again. It was particularly damaging for Foster, who at the time was the nation's third-leading rusher and a Heisman Trophy candidate.

Rumors were that the NCAA was given a tip by someone with USC ties that Foster was driving a luxury vehicle.

So there is a precident.

And he makes the obvious conclusion...

It's unclear if McKnight will be declared ineligible for the game. "I don't know if that's even in question right now," Carroll said.

It would be difficult for USC to play McKnight if there's no resolution to the investigation since it would run the risk of using an ineligible player. And it seems implausible the NCAA would make a ruling on the situation; next week is a holiday week, with Christmas falling on a Friday. 

This one is easy for USC.

Make McKnight ineligible for the bowl game and get down to the nuts and bolts of it later...after the bowl game. If McKnight gets his feelings hurt and chooses to leave SC then fine. Thanks for the memories...good luck in the NFL. With SC already under the microscope for Bush and Mayo who needs this? 

I could care less what the haters and detractors think but my three-year old could figure this out.

Shut him down, submit the info to the NCAA and let it play out from there. But SC has to treat this with a a sense of urgency and bit of a scortched earth policy...anything less will only piss off the NCAA and we are already in their crosshairs.

I can't wait for the other shoe to drop!

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This reeks of DeShaun Foster. I would be very surprised McKnight was suited up for the Emerald Bowl.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 19, 2009 9:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

There is no way McKnight is playing

He was seen driving the vehicle. He then lied about driving the vehicle. Tessalone’s statement that McKnight was “mistaken” sounds even more stupid than the initial denial from McKnight.

Here’s a rundown Mr. Tessalone. When someone asks you if you have driven a car, and you vehemently deny doing so, even though you have driven that car, then you are a liar.

Now you can be mistaken if you for instance were asked if you drove a black landrover, and you mistakenly heard the question as red volkswagon beetle, but I somehow doubt that there was any mistake of the reporters when they identified the car in question.

McKnight did receive an extra benefit. His statement was an obvious lie, and his behavior suggested he was lying because he knew what he did was wrong. He should be immediately suspended until this matter is resolved.

I agree with Paragon, this looks to be an open and shut matter.

by frak on Dec 19, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I for one don't care what happens to this dude (I have really never been a follower of him) so I guess we might have to give up wins in games he played.

So does that mean for Ls it is a double L or will USC have Latrine duty, maybe Big Balls should pay more attention to his players than making LA better.

.

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 19, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Comment of the morning!

Damn straight SoCal. Now, I’m not putting this on PC- USC cannot possibly watch all their players. But, THEY CAN WATCH JOE McNIGHT . . . .AND. . . . see that this poor m-fer from Louisiana (wasn’t he homeless after Katrina/didn’t his HS coach and his family take him in for some time for that?)- shouldn’t be driving around and sporting a freaking gosh-darn Land Rover.

I have some money, and I can’t afford to lease a Land Rover. Not with my bills. (wouldn’t want to neither, I’m a ‘green’- kinda guy. not a GoreHead- just a believer in faith in my fair share to help our Mother that’s Nature. is all)

Whoa! I hope PC wakes the fuck up. As far as making LA Better by making USC better. You hit that nail hard SoCal.

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 19, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because of the extra energy involved in manufacturing "green" cars

When all is said and done, Toyota Prius’ are worse for the environment than driving a Range Rover for 10 years. Just sayin’

by The VD Special on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In October it was reported he was leaving because he

needed to “take care of his family.” All of a sudden his worries evaporate and he announces he’s staying; the mother of his child is driving a nice SUV owned by her boss and he gets to enjoy the fringe benefits as well. Tip of the iceberg?
Please… Joe, man up and take your game to the league.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I love the witch hunt aspects of it all

was he driving a car? was the car his girlfriends? did he buy premium gas? He is from Louisiana, what is he doing with premium gas? Who told him about it? Will the NCAA use its magic time machine to go to the past, and change the result of games? I’m also really fond of a system that forces a university to ruin a kids life based on a newspaper article without any formal proceeding.

When I went to USC I drove a volvo, and the university could have cared less. I forget the Justice, but one of my favorite lines from a case I read in law school was that the most important right we have is the right to be left alone. Sacrificing the privacy of NCAA STUDENT athletes is not worth the gleeful witch hunts that such sacrifice produces.

by ilium55 on Dec 19, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The second time I went back to college I drove a Porsche and one of the players on our team thought I was a rich kid, I informed him that I paid for my car by being a bartender.

But it is funny how people perceive things in this world, I guess he thought my family bought me everything. I worked my ass off for that car and for books and other things I owned.

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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 19, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perils of LA

The double-edged sword of LA-la-land. Fertile recruiting ground. Fertile scumbag breeding ground. LA certainly leads the nation in scumbag agents and marketers per capita. Sadly, playing for USC is like playing in an NCAA rules war zone trying to avoid sniper fire and collateral damage from scumbag agents.

USC should hold itself to a higher standard. That might be the only way to survive the perils of LA. Have a full-time compliance person on staff. Have full-time player security on staff, similar to the NFL. Maybe we already do and I don’t know about it?

USC should also aggressively defend itself by leveraging the unique CA law that allows academic institutions to seek damages against agents and their ilk who entice students to violate NCAA rules a la the Robert Caron/Shawn Walters case. USC should sue Guillory, New Era Marketing (Guillory’s employer, I think), Louis Johnson, and this Schenker scumbag.

Joe made a bad decision. Good luck in the NFL. Biggest question, will PC finally turn to CJ Gable or continue to skip him in the rotation. Is Marc Tyler still hurt?

by DFWTrojan on Dec 19, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Marc Tyler is Out for Nut Bowl

It….might…..finally…..be…..CJ TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWRFyTuRwpw

by DFWTrojan on Dec 19, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the update

But hey, why not try to ruin a guys life because his girl drives a rover. FYI, rovers hold their value exceptionally poorly, and a 5 year old model can be had pretty reasonably. British cars plummet in value. I own a Jag sports car which looks great, has low miles, and I bought for 9000 dollars, I also have seen Joe McKnight play football, am I committing a violation?

There is a reason that we have a court system in the United States, even if its not perfect. It allows people to present their case to the public, and hopefully a group of impartial people judge it on its merits. With this NCAA stuff its clear that trial is done by the press, or a faceless regulator, or a university bureaucrat who wants to avoid any whiff of impropriety. To me being a trojan means something, and I think its wrong to turn on a another trojan because a mob of angry reporters and haters wants him destroyed.

One thing that really impressed me about that Miami documentary was the way that Miami sticks together despite the rampant hatred of their program. I say lets stick together. Fight On!

by ilium55 on Dec 19, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really when I read the report I said so it is his girl friends car, and that should be OK but you never know with NCAA.

I still have never been a big fan of #4, now Johnson, CJ, Tyler, bradford are the ones I like the most. So I really now feel that #4 has no relation to the car other than riding or driving while mom takes care of kid. Now you know this will make the LIST but thats cool got to give those Ruins something to do, so they finally got us See RUINS PC doesn’t pay players he pays their girl friends, see our players have girl friends not like you guys with boy friends.

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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 19, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly He's not my favorite back either

but he’s a trojan, so he gets my support. The LIST is just a symptom of a problem, its easy to make a allegation, harder to get word out if its false. If you ask me NCAA violations ought to be dealt with in some sort of arbitration system were a neutral figure interprets the rules. Part of the reason it works so poorly is that its really a nightmare version of a legal system with no controls to ensure fairness — I’m amazed that member institutions don’t demand better with all the $$ that is at stake.

by ilium55 on Dec 19, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The NCAA rule reads....

 a student-athlete shall be ineligible if he, or relatives or friends, accepts transportation or other benefits from agents or marketing representatives. NCAA bylaw 12.1.2.1.6 prohibits preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual’s athletic reputation or skill or payback potential as a professional athlete.

McKnight knew what he was doing was wrong according to the rules. He got caught. Time to file for the NFL and move on in life. I don’t like his chances defending this one.

by BackdoorBarkley on Dec 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'd better not get caught squeezing the Charmin!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 19, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Juvenile response...

Just like the PATHETIC lie that McKnight thought up despite already outing himself by reporting the automobile to SC officials.

The writing is on the wall. This kid should not dress for the lowly nut bowl. He needs to move on to the NFL or Canada.

by BackdoorBarkley on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think its pathetic

to demand anything of anyone at this point. I find the whole story highly plausible, and the university is doing the right thing checking everything out before rushing to make a judgement. No one claims he owns the car, if he drove it every day that’s one thing, but I could care less who reported what to who. This is not the Lindbergh baby case, rather its a nosy newspaper butting into the private life of a student athlete and his family.

by ilium55 on Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except the fact that McKnight lied to the reporter about driving the car

He lied there.

Also Tim Tessalone calling McKnight’s lie a mistaken statement, is also very stupid.

I don’t believe that Schenter is clean.

by frak on Dec 20, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all pretty stupid on Joe's part

but if the woman is actually making the car payments it changes the situation. California doesn’t recognize Common Law Marriage but once there’s a kid involved things get very complicated.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 20, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is illegal for

A player, friend of a player, or a family member of a player to receive extra benefits. The length of the relationship between Schenter and Beltran is paramount to establishing whether or not she received that car because she was Schenter’s friend or Joe’s baby mama. Any way you look at it, Joe’s lie makes him look really guilty.

by frak on Dec 20, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, everyone saw Joe driving the damn car so wtf did the fool say he didn’t drive it? Like you said, it makes him look guilty. Beltran will have to prove she’s been paying for the car, or that all of Schenter’s employees get company cars otherwise it is a violation of the rules. It’s doubtful this can be resolved by the 26th, so Joe might as well declare for the NFL and start preparing. He’s about a 3rd or 4th round pick, and staying another year won’t change that.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 20, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3rd or 4th round pick?

i think he will go in the 2nd round just based on his upside..

but really though, why did pete make him so boring.. the guy was so exciting… then he became the boringest runner inside the tackles no crazy stuff

by matthewmafa on Dec 21, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go w/ 3rd round

history of fumbles, injuries, and lack of breakway speed. sick moves though and he should some more physical running this season.

by DFWTrojan on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was confusing?

How do you equate a comment (which is strictly, just commentary with comedic-color) with someone’s lie/false-statement? The logic escapes me to the degree of a frightful gasp! Tell me something, Brokeback Booty? You’re literary-calculus needs better functions TO EVEN HAVE A DERIVATIVE. Forget the fuck outta narratives, you first need to BECOME a something! Like a thought?

Clue, perhaps?

JoeMac is the one under attack. It’s his lie, his reality, his clusterfuck to deal with. End. Of. Story. MorningGlory. . . .(hole)

SoCal’s, soCal! The one, irrepressible, and m-f_cking ONLY SoCal. (you don’t like his colorfully bombastic replies? don’t post sanctimonious comments. and if you do, back yo shit up- or he might just smack you the f_ck up. it’s his style. his schtik. and we love it!)

Stick around a while with us, will you. SoCal’s been chompin’ at the bit for someone new to deflower. And you’re right on schedule. (look at it this way, it’s practically a rite of passage. go into it, “enjoyable”- it’s better that way.

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 21, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Bix it is always good to know someone has your back, and also Frak and Loco.

But really Captain they dru First Blood (I was just trying to get something to eat) they dru first blood. Now on the brighter side of life (always look on the bright side of life—Whistle sounds) I hope this all just a woks, but I still would like to see CCCCCCCCJJJJJJJJJJJ get a shot that would be great.

Heck I don’t know if I want to change my name to Rambo or Brian—-But than again I could be El Guapo and get a Plethora of gifts.

.

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 21, 2009 5:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Like Robin Williams says in that golf video of his- “F_ck that!”. Yo, homegrown? They can’t touch you! And we (frak’s-on-it, Loco, and all the rest of you know whoozes- have nothing really to do with it. You got your game, and you definitely know how to play so. . . .we’re just all psyched to be part of this fraternity. Our leader is badass, and through that- he keeps us all clean and above the fray. Remarkably he does all that for us, and still keeps US fearless to boot!

Boot any sucka-ass-players who elect to try to foment any of their rank-bizness on us. You keep us all in attack mode. Frak kills them with knowledge. DFW slices and dices, while aggessively and successfully ‘re-framing’ the whole enchilada Trojan-style. Loco drops the Logic, and gleefully watches the burnin’ bitches turn to ash. DC paralyzes ‘em, and they don’t even know it. (some don’t even know what’s happened to them, to this day even!)

I can go on and on. But still- Para sees the road go on forever, and allows us all that unique glimpse of where our collective hopes and dreams may or may not lay. With a leader as good as he is, I don’t think we know what fear is sometimes.

If you ask me?
That’s ALL good.
 (for proof? did you see any of us losing our lunch completely this past year?)

Told you.

Next year our enthusiasm will definitely be tempered, yet extemely confident of our team’s successl. We’re Trojans, yo! Always compete. Always.

Fight On!

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well since we have not got a reply from (BackdoorBarkley) I have a ?

Backdoor—Are we talking the Doors back door man
Barkley— has to b e Matt
So what up with the put down, I mean thats the way I see it.

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by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no way it ain't Matt??? (as in the Bark & the ley part)

More like, Charles. At least that’s what I’m thinking? Now that’s a man with booty. ;- ) -uh. . . . you know what I mean?

Good! ‘Cause, I don’t know either? (werd!)

Sursly tho, Sir Charles gots surious backs. (BOOM! roasted)

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

[edit]

I meant to write “(werdo!)”. (it’s MY story and I’m sursly stickin’ to it)

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His production is not worth his baggage...

His production is not worth all the negative publicity he’s brought. From the signing day fiasco to this SUV incident, he just hasn’t paid off.

I’ve always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m sick of PC giving him the benefit of the doubt and all the trouble he continues to bring to SC. Let him go to the NFL (I wouldn’t draft him) and let AB and CJ take on the load!

by spn168 on Dec 20, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1000

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 20, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe McKnight had already proven that he was a cut-rate Reggie Bush on the field. Now he has proven the same off the field.

USC, Fight On. Joe McKnight, Go F@@@ Yourself.

by socaljml on Dec 20, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

its all allegations I hope when everything gets cleared up you will take your " Joe Mcknight go F@@@ Yourself back.

by Dodgermanramon on Dec 20, 2009 6:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya Snowman!

Joe hasn’t been as good as his five star rating but he’s gotten better. He’s not the sharpest tool in the shed but at worst this is a minor infraction. Telling him to Go F@@@ Himself is something the ruins would do, lest he stain their “pristine reputation.”

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 20, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Born out of frustration

He is indeed a dull tool, but I do really hope that this is a whole lot of nothing.

by socaljml on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BrokebackBarkley?

BackdoorBooty?
BrokebackBooty?
Doors’BackdoorMattBarkley?
SirCharlesBrokebackBarkleyBooty?

Identity crisis? (go figure?. . . . . . .)

Please!!!!!!! It matters to us. (really)

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

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