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Slick Rick: Year 3

 

This is just a thought. I'm going to over simplify it and not bring in all the players, stats, highlights and lowlights. I'm not an NCAA CFB expert or anything.

I'm just doing a simple side by side comparison of UCLA's most recent 2 coaches.

We all realize that they want to become a solid football program. In the general sense "we" all would like that too, with close games, great games, and true rivalry. However, the little trojan inside all of us still wants to see the destroyed.

Nevertheless, I'm going to speak about "CRN" as they like to call him. Let's not worry about his time at Colorado or UW. First off though, let's bring up good ol' Karl Dorrell. He was a nice guy, a conservative fellow, and a bit on the quiet side; unlike his predecessor Bob Toledo or Pete Carroll for that matter, it seemed that his humble demeanor wasn't angry enough.

Now Toledo seemed like a solid coach, with a 3-4 record against USC and 4 bowl appearances. Like Toledo, KD had his highlighted opportunity midway. Through KD's 5 year stint, he too managed 4 bowl appearances. However he was only 1-4 against USC. But that one was sure lasting, wasn't it kids?

As you can see, pressure came on beating USC, not necessarily having a winning record or going for the MNC. Nope. They just wanted to duplicate Donahue's solid record of maintaining that nice little streak in our beloved rivalry; well maybe a rose bowl game.

Enter the prodigal son. I mean he has everything KD doesn't. The charm, the fire, the talk. How about the walk? Eh, somewhat, but keeping it inside D1, this is where it gets funky.

You see, KD's record at UCLA stands like this. Just keep in mind the 3rd year:

 

Year Team Overall Conference
Bowl

 

2003 UCLA 6–7 4–4
L Silicon Valley

2004 UCLA 6–6 4–4
L Las Vegas

2005 UCLA 10–2 6–2
W Sun

2006 UCLA 7–6 5–4
L Emerald




 

I put up the fourth year because he broke USC's streak. Now if we step a little bit back in time, we'll see BT's record for:

 

1996 UCLA 5-6 4-4

1997 UCLA 10–2 7-1
W Cotton Bowl Classic
1998 UCLA 10–2 8-0
L Rose Bowl


Now for shits 'n giggles, let's even bring up TD's record:

 

1976 UCLA 9-2-1 6-1
L 6-36 Liberty Bowl
1977 UCLA 0-11 0-8
1978 UCLA 8-3-1 6-2
T 10-10 Fiesta Bowl


Okay I digress, I meant to only to talk about KD and RN. How is RN holding up?

 

2008 UCLA 4–8 3–6
2009 UCLA 6–6 3–6

 

What, no bowl yet?

 

Just kidding. So off to a wishy-washy start. It's okay, it happened to Donahue. The point I'm trying to make is that all coaches seem to follow a similar pattern: Working with what you got and not expect miracles. With the exception of BT, for the most part, year 3 has proven to be a crucial point. I can understand that RN wants to be the fire back in UCLA's eyes that hasn't been seen in well over a decade. But that doesn't happen overnight. What does happen is having a decent season record that does make you (at least) bowl eligible as given by his predecessors.

I believe that it will RN can give UCLA a solid record consistency, and even some bowl appearances, perhaps after his "rebuilding year(s)" is over. he's a far cry away from any of UCLA's predecessors though; and by no means is he the messiah some fan bases make him off to be. Short of duplicating the Y3 tradition, I would believe that 2010 will illustrate that "CRN" is more show than go.

While I'm thankful that he gave us back the home jerseys tradition, outside of that, it's just hot air. I can't help but wonder if the loyalist Bruins will turn on him as well. I'll end it on this note, a nice little letter demand found online years ago about "dumping dorrell:"

  1. 1-3 against Southern Cal.
  2. No Pac-10 championships.
  3. No BCS bowl games.
  4. 1-10 on the road against teams with a winning record.
  5. Worst starting 3- AND 4-year record of any UCLA football coach since WW2, including Bob Toledo who was fired.
  6. Worse winning percentage than Bob Toledo, who was fired.
  7. 3-11 against ranked teams.
  8. 2-7 against top 10 teams.
  9. Only 6 conference wins against teams over .500.
  10. 19-14 in the Pac-10.
  11. 8-17 against teams with a winning record.
  12. 10 losses to unranked teams.
  13.  He has a losing record after October, 6-12.
  14.  Embarrassing losses to Wyoming, Fresno State, Arizona, Washington State at home and Southern Cal.
  15.  Only 1 big game win.
  16.  Revolving door for assistant coaches.
  17.  80% of Bruins fans polled on Bruinsnation.com disapprove of the job Karl Dorrell is doing.

 

Funny how those highlighted items strike a resemblance to what RN is doing now. So again, we'll just have to see what "CRN" does in Y3 (and maybe Y4). A MNC, hell even P10, championship doesn't matter. Just beat the Trojans, right? That's what you were really hired to do, what KD couldn't.

 

Between you and me, I wouldn't be surprised if BN (or whomever) ask for his head after 2010. Then again, he could just become Los Angeles' very own Charlie Weis.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.

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You're hatred/dislike for BN is distorting your analysis.

I’ll make this very short – the situation Dorrell walked into was not the same situation Neuhiesel walked into. Since you did so much research on UCLA, I’ll let you finish up researching on what I just said.

by BruinFan1 on Nov 30, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

100% agreement

I have said here that we don’t know if Neuheisel is merely an average coach who can lead for a season or two depending on the talent or a good coach (I don’t think you can do what he did at Colorado and UW without being a good coach.) But what he inherited coming into UCLA was a shambles. Look at our roster-we have only two quality upperclassmen who are likely to make the NFL-Brian Price and Alterraun Verner. Two! No kids drafted at all last year. I think maybe one or two the year before. Other than Maurice Jones-Drew, UCLA has produced no impact players a long time. IIRC, we haven’t had an OL drafted AT ALLthis decade. Unbelievable.

I don’t know if Neuheisel is a good coach who can bring UCLA back to the 80’s and mid-to-late 90’s level of success. He hasn’t been anywhere long enough for anyone to intelligently opine on the topic. I am fairly sure he is not a great coach-UCLA has not exceeded expectations since he arrived and most great coaches show their greatness pretty quickly.

by ucladj89 on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

No hate here sir.

All I’m saying, good or bad, year 3 is going to be one to be closely looked at.

by Joe Trojan on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, your numbers for TD

are somewhat misleading. TD took over for Vermeil after Vermeil left for the Eagles immediately following winning the Pac-10. Donahue finished 9-2-1, 7-4*, and 8-3-1. UCLA forfeited all games in the ‘77 season – so Donahue didn’t really get off to a ‘slow’ start.

There’s really not a recent historical parallel for the situation that Neuheisel’s been thrust in to. The closest historical parallel I can think of is when Bill Spaulding took over the team in 1925 and first got it to respectability, and he didn’t win a conference co-championship until 1935.

I’m of course not advocating that it’s going to take 10 years for a reaonsable assessment to be made of Neu, but there’s really no easy parallel for what he’s trying to do at UCLA.

by CAJason80 on Dec 3, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

#17 is the definitive point

Why did it have to be discussed any further? Each year, there should be a poll of BN to determine whether the starting coach should return. It would sure save everyone a lot of trouble.

by bwren on Nov 30, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

I guess the big question is

When will coach Neuheisel be responsible for the quality of the ucla football team?

2010?
2011?

At some point, all of the players on the roster will be his recruits. Remember that Carroll had USC in the BCS in year 2 coming off some atrocious Paul Hackett teams, so it can be done. ucla position now is no different than the one that Pete Carroll took over in 2001 in terms of quality athletes.

I agree that 2010 is the year that Neuheisel needs to show Los Angeles what the bruins can do. If he ends the year 7-5 I don’t think that it will be enough to save him in the long term.

by frak on Nov 30, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

Third year is classically the critical one

By that point, the coach has mostly his players, and his system should be well in place. year 3 has always been the one that people point to as the critical year to assess a coach. I agree that Bruin fans should be concerned if they don’t have a successful season next year.

To be fair on the Pete Carroll comparison, how many other coaches inherit players like Carson Palmer and Troy Polamalu? Of course to your point, perhaps there are some players of that quality on the UCLA roster, and a better coach would have brought them out. Maybe Kevin Craft is actually Carson Palmer quality if he only hadthe right coaching.

by bwren on Nov 30, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont see a QB that can help the bruins turn the corner

All 3 of the QBs that we have seen this year don’t seem to have what it takes to turn the program around.

by frak on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily a fair statement

I think the Prince’s broken jaw took a lot out of his sails. I think we’ll know if he’s a good qb within the first couple of games next year.

by BruinFan1 on Dec 1, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

True

Both Prince and Barkley have their issues. I really didn’t see much from Prince that I would be worried about though. From what I’ve seen, Prince might win up to 8 games, but I don’t see him taking the bruins to a BCS bowl.

by frak on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Its just my opinion

Maybe the ucla QBs will prove me wrong. Just saying that I don’t see much of a game changer with the group that you guys have.

by frak on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Prince..

Showed flashes of brilliance towards the end of the year. His 4th quarter against Oregon State showed a bit of his potential. However he’s committed a lot of Freshman mistakes, and looks like he’ll be a bit injury prone in the coming years. Here’s hoping he can correct that, and get some better protection from what should be a much improved line next year.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess we will see how the line improves.

ucla is young on offense. It remains to be seen if the skill players will be able to take advantage of a more experienced, and for the bruins sake, hopefully more improved O-line.

by frak on Dec 1, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What concerns me a bit...

Is how much the defense may regress. We’re losing a really integral part of our front 7 this season, and it would be a full year without DeWayne Walker. For some reason I just don’t really trust Bullough as our DC.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 1, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No way...

Losing a critical starters on defense? Losing your defensive coordinator? Wow, that might result in a less than stellar defense. Could even allow 55 points to Stanford.

by bwren on Dec 1, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be helped somewhat...

By a stellar recruiting class. The bottom line is that it’s going to be a tough year for the defense which could offset any progress made by the offense.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 1, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Prince would be helped out

if his receivers could hold on to the ball and he had a single deep threat. The bRuins problems on offense go far beyond QB. Peyton Manning would struggle with that collection of talent.

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by bluemax on Dec 1, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nelson Rosario...

Proved he could be a legit go-to guy when he wants to be. He had some pretty decent games, but looked a bit lethargic in others.

by DannyJay01 on Dec 1, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

I commented during the game how many passes were dropped by Bruin receivers. They certainly weren’t helping out the quarterback much last Saturday.

by bwren on Dec 1, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year will be important

But barring a complete meltdown or 2005-type miracle season, his job will hinge on the 2011 season. I would at this point hope for 16+ wins over the next two years, though the difficulty of next year’s non-conference schedule is unfortunate.

While it’s tempting to compare this turnaround to Carroll’s at USC, it’s important to remember that one inherited Carson Palmer while the other inherited . . . Osaar Rasshan. I’m not sure about what USC had on the OL, but for whatever reason (and 5 different coaches in 6 seasons sticks out to me) UCLA’s big OL haul in the middle of Dorrell’s tenure has been a complete disaster.

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 1, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a fair point. The Hackett years may not have been good, but SC was still getting some decent players. There was something to work with.

by DC Trojan on Dec 1, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Always with Palmer

He was a bust until chow got him…and if IIRC he lost most of one year due to a collarbone injury.

So I guess Chow coached him up…whats he done lately?

by Paragon SC on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He had been a bust

But since he ended up as the #1 pick in the draft, he obviously still had a good deal of potential. Maybe Ben Olson would have improved if he had stayed healthy, instead they were forced to go with Craft and essentially waste the first year. What’s done is done, though. Chow and Neuheisel will certainly have to prove their worth with Prince over the next two years.

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 1, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The most important bit of inheritance

PC got from Hackett was his recruiting coordinator and defensive line coach Ed Orgeron.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 1, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don't care what happens to Ucla FB, I don't care if they even win a national champ.

All Chow did for Carson is fine plays that fit his style, his real coach and till this day is Bob Johnson. The problem with Carson Until about 3 years ago is he has a hard time reading the speed of his receiver and over throws him. So chow set up routs that worked for Carson, look at Brees he is totally on and do you know who his coach is Johnson.

28---7 2nd & 11 Barkley to Williams, so please Bru-Babes call time out again.

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 1, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

Year 3 is going to be very difficult for Neuheisel

to put together a 10 win season. The Bruins’ schedule next year is completey ridiculous. Look at the OOC schedule to open the season.

@ K-State (K-State’s looked a hell of a lot better with Prince back as coach)
Houston (who the hell would have thought Houston would be as good as they are?)
@ Texas (anyone who thinks UCLA has better than an upset chance in this game is crazy).

The Bruins could easily start 0-3 next year. 1-2 would probably be consdered a victory. This doesn’t include having to play @ Cal, @ Oregon.

8-4 with that schedule will be considered a major achievement, IMO, and I think Rick needs to get to at least 8-4 to show progress.

by CAJason80 on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Would be good

if I could refer to K-State’s coach by his actual name, Bill Snyder. Duh.

by CAJason80 on Dec 3, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

That fact won't carry much water with the BN psychos

If he starts 0-3 they’re going to give him the Dorrell treatment. GUARANTEED.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Dec 3, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

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