On Thanksgiving: Bruin Ingratitude
It’s not often that we Trojans agree on anything with Nestor and his BruinsNation cohorts. However, anyone with love, respect, and above all, gratitude for their Alma-Mater, can understand the anger and disappointment the BNers are feeling towards the lack of spirit, if not true apathy, of the current generation of UCLA students. Apparently the tired little schoolchildren were all busy sleeping in their baby blue pajamas Tuesday night while a small strike force of Trojan Commandos managed to sneak into the heart of the UCLA campus and prank the Bruin Bear statue right under their noses. The hippies up at Cal certainly wouldn’t have allowed it, so what’s wrong with these Bruins? In this post the Bruins Nation excoriates the slackers, and UCLA students give lame excuses for their "beat SC week" bungling.
This Thanksgiving morning my wife and I went for our usual brisk walk down to Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica. Another morning in paradise! We normally wear nondescript clothing, but in commemoration of USC-UCLA Rivalry Week, we were fully decked out in USC gear (even our dog wore an SC bandana). The number of smiles soon overwhelmed us, and there were plenty of cheers, and "Fight On!" salutes from passersby, many of them similarly attired even though we are having a tough year on the gridiron. On this glorious morning, the heart of "enemy territory" was covered in Cardinal & Gold, and spirits were running high.
As we trotted along, my wife (a wayward Bruin) remarked that despite the upcoming game almost no one was wearing powder blue. Bruins are everywhere in the Westside, but there's only a few UCLA license plate frames, caps, t-shirts, flags, or doggie bandanas to be seen; you'd think we were living in the middle of Nebraska.
Mrs. Loco wondered... "Why do Bruins have such a cool relationship with UCLA?" I said to her, "look at yourself you spent your last year of college at UCLA and you're wearing USC colors." Mrs. L paused for a moment and responded, "well... I just went there." How true, she was able to transfer to UCLA to complete the units she needed to graduate; she made a few acquaintances but the overall experience was cold and impersonal, it is an unfeeling government institution run by an entitled and entrenched bureaucracy that puts its own interests above all else. UCLA students can feel the disdain the institution has for them. Is it any wonder they're unwilling to sacrifice even a night's sleep for her? There has to be more to the story.
Back in the days when Nestor was a student, most kids understood what an honor and privilege it was to attend such a prestigious university, and they respected the fact that it was all thanks to the largesse of Mr. John Q. Public. Sure, the UCLA football team was better then, but Nestor and Co.'s fierce loyalty has nothing to do with that. It is all about thanksgiving (in lower case); plain old gratitude for the greatest gift a man can receive, an education; in this case of the finest order of higher education.
The brats that inhabit the Halls of Westwood look at their situation much differently. The previous generations know it; these guys are a bunch of takers. America's latest issue has been given absolutely everything, praised for every little accomplishment along the way, self-esteem through the roof, and thanks to grade inflation they've never gotten a B in any subject. They're absolute geniuses and they have an inalienable right to the finest education, and dammit the public has the obligation provide it for next to nothing.
Spending a night outside watching over a stupid bear statue is just not part of the plan. Aren't the cops in charge of that? It's no big deal, somebody will clean it up in the morning. Hey, what do you want me to do? I just go here. Since the children can't be troubled, the Bruin now sleeps in a plywood box, complete with seatbelt, airbags, cell and OnStar service. There is only one word for this: Pathetic. Thomas Paine said "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value." Somewhere on the East Coast, Nestor is nodding in agreement.
Happy Thanksgiving to Trojans and Bruins alike. We will settle this on the field come Saturday, with honor.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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They should have a little sympathy
Thanksgiving week makes it even harder to motivate people for stuff like that, and traditionally the game is not played this week (at least since i’ve been around). I agree though that college has become a commodity for alot of kids — maybe its the increased focus on numbers and test scores? When I chose USC I did so not because it was the best place I got into, but because I wanted to go to USC. In many ways its the exact opposite of how it is today — when I went to school you chose your school, now your school chooses you. That translates to less ownership of the decision maybe? Its good to know that the Kinghts are still there keeping an eye on Tommy, sometimes I worry that we might sacrifice those traditions on the alter of Project Stanford.
Fight On — Happy Thanksgiving
by ilium55 on Nov 26, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yah I agree that the school choses you, I mean these students in the UC system when applying put down there 1-4 choices.
Then the school decide if they want your money or not, back in my day I went to where I wanted. Most of these student either study to much and play video games today or work. We didn’t have the computer games and so if we were not playing a sport for the school, we played a lot of pick-up games. Today a pick-up game is Wii or Bowling the 2 most physically challenging sports in the world, just ask Jim Rome.
It use to be hey are you going to the FB, BB game, it was a yes or know I got to study or work. Today it’s no got to study or playing some Madden game or a all night gamer party, kids are computer generated. These kids could care less about team spirit, everything has changed and who knows if it will go back. I see this at USC basketball games they have a bunch of great seats that they give to the students, but they don’t show up.
The truth is Lavin was an Okay coach but I liked him because Bibby was beating him. I have known Ben since 1978 and when he got to Ugla I knew it was going to be a battle in BB. But know we got Kevin and I think he is better than my friend, and after 3 years we will know. GO Trojans
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 26, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Takers?
The brats that inhabit the Halls of Westwood look at their situation much differently. The previous generations know it; these guys are a bunch of takers. America’s latest issue has been given absolutely everything, praised for every little accomplishment along the way, self-esteem through the roof, and thanks to grade inflation they’ve never gotten a B in any subject. They’re absolute geniuses and they have an inalienable right to the finest education, and dammit the public has the obligation provide it for next to nothing.
Given absolutely everything? For next to nothing? In the last 10 years, state UC funding per student has dropped by 60%, and education fees have nearly tripled (and will have tripled by this time next year). At the same time, classes and services are being cut. And considering that, . . .
Back in the days when Nestor was a student, most kids understood what an honor and privilege it was to attend such a prestigious university, and they respected the fact that it was all thanks to the largesse of Mr. John Q. Public. . . .
“What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value.”
this doesn’t really make any sense. Students in college now are in many ways receiving less for more. I don’t know if there’s any way to accurately tell whether this generation is more spoiled than the last, but it’s also not the first generation that’s been said of. Either way, I don’t think that’s the real problem. Iium’s point is a lot closer to what I’ve actually noticed. Because of the stronger emphasis on numbers and rankings, top high school students often just choose the best place that lets them in, instead of having a real connection with the school beforehand.
by SuperBruinMan on Nov 26, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
technology, progress, self promotion, etc
You can go on and on and on to all the different factors as to what makes the next generation of students so flaccid as compared to their earlier generation counterparts.
In any case, it would seem that only a minority of students are truly earning their keep. Others thump their chests and argue, but alas that’s a show. Then there’s the rest that care for an education, get in get out.
The ones you express concern are the decaying bunch who care about the school, spirit, and bonding. Many of that worry; try as we might to teach them what it means to stand by your school, you can only lead a horse to water.
by Joe Trojan on Nov 26, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Joe and Loco on this
Regardless of an individual gleaning some degree of school ownership, the data bears this out: Students of this generation (from late ’90’s to today) are less prepared (overall), more coddled, and receive far too much recognition for achieving very little (as compared to the previous generations of high-school students lying in wait of undergraduate studies). You’re right on one point though Super BM- students of today have more of a burden to pay their way through college. Blame it on all that WASTE when we (the state of Calif) were churning out the top elementary, jr. high school, and high school students in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. (Holla!)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 26, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen it first hand
I work at a Cal State, and those kids are paying more for less, but I guess if we call it a furlough its OK? It’s kinda crazy but this spring it will be 10 years since I graduated from USC, I for one am glad that I had to opportunity to go to college when I did. By the time I was a senior I noticed that fewer and fewer USC underclassmen came to USC because they wanted to be there, many were kids who aspired to Ivy’s or Stanford level schools and either didn’t get in or got a scholarship offer they couldn’t refuse. That’s great and all, but personally I would rather see kids who really loved SC realizing a dream, than national merit scholars settling. I bet the situation is similar at UCLA as well.
by ilium55 on Nov 26, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'm stuffed with Mexican Thanksgiving treats (including Guajolote en Mole) but here goes!
I don’t disagree with you. I’ve said it here before, the UC System was the crown jewel of California’s educational system, once the best in America. The UCs and Cal States once produced the scientists and engineers that made California the high tech center of the world. The taxpayers investment in those types of graduates paid for itself many times over.
Unfortunately the educational establishment lost its focus (which used to be educating kids) and the system was turned upside down. Now it’s just about moving bodies through. The tools of this new trade are social promotion, grade inflation, moral relativism, not getting too involved, climbing the seniority ladder, moving to administrative positions and doing the unions’ bidding. The rot started at the bottom and it’s reached the highest levels, UC schools. It’s no wonder kids don’t give a rats ass about an old bear statue.
It’s time for the Cal State and UC systems to get back to basics, back to what worked in the past. A higher education is a privilege not a right, our universities must demand real performance from its students; they should cut out the politically minded departments and majors so they can muster the resources needed to graduate people with the skills that are in demand by employers.
We shouldn’t have to import our engineers and scientists from China, India and Russia while we crank out Poly Sci, Chicano Studies, Gender Studies and other useless majors. I’m not saying it’s not OK to study those fields, but if a student is interested in those subjects they should pay for in in a private setting.
As far as USC is concerned, we should stop pretending to be Stanfurd and remember who we really are. We are definitely in danger of losing our soul. We are buying hot-shot kids that may not want to be here, while the children of loyal Trojan alums get the the cold shoulder and head off to the Universities of Arizona, Washington, Colorado and SMU. I’ll take it a step farther than Ilium by saying it’s time to end project Stanfurd.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 26, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One of the best posts I've read here.
It rings very true for me. I’ve almost always been a UCLA fan. Both of my parents graduated in 1978 and at least 8 other family members have attained a degrees from UCLA. My family is very close to the school.
It wasn’t until 2005, when my then girlfriend was accepted into the Annenberg School of Journalism did I learn anything about USC. When I really started paying attention to the system USC runs, I became rather impressed. The administration does everything it can to ensure alumni stay in contact with the school. Students are bred to love their school. I have a friend in my American Indian Studies program at UCLA that completed his undergrad at USC. We were talking about this very issue (the apathy at UCLA is palpable) and he said, “USC strips you of your old identity to build you up as a Trojan.” To a large degree, I think this is true.
UCLA School of Law and the American Indian Studies departments treated me very very well. BUT the overall administration is pretty bad. You’re essentially a number. I completed my M.A/ in June and wasn’t able to get it until last week because no one could process my information on time. I went down countless times to yell at people to no avail. I ended up having to pay hundreds of dollars to file a late thesis because of this. UC Irvine, my undergraduate institution, had the exact same problems. The UC system has turned into a massively inefficient bureaucracy that does very little fostering of talent IF you don’t know what your doing. I’ve been lucky for the past 8 years in the UC system because I always had a plan (and did pretty damn well I think).
The Den really didn’t seem like a big presence on campus while I was at UCLA. Football seemed like an afterthought and being good and basketball was treated as a right, not as something you’re privileged to have. Much of the student body uses the “I need to study” card waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. I pulled that at UC Irvine and I regret it very much. I could have been in the same exact place I am right now even if I did go to that Run DMC concert in 2001 and stopped studying for Poli Sci 200B. Now Jam Master Jay is gone and I missed out on a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity.
The same applies for UCLA students. You can spend 5 hours at the Rose Bowl and still do well. What UCLA needs is a student government that can convince/get students to live a more balanced life on campus. They work hard, but they need to learn to play hard too. UCLA also needs to reach out to alumni outside of asking for some money. They need to invite people to tailgates and other events to keep that Bruin spirit alive and well.
Like I said before, I noticed this problem from day one at UCLA. Since I’ve graduated I’ve been trying to do my part to get people involved. I worked my tail off to ensure my brother got into UCLA (he’s a very enthusiastic fan) and am currently working on getting my cousin connected with the school. As of last week, I am now heavily involved with an alumni association as a “sporting director.” I will be organizing tailgates and other events throughout the year. I am also still involved with the American Indian Studies program. I worked on a recruiting video for Native American students (a copy of the dvd was sent to my tribe, making it one of my proudest accomplishments even though I didn’t do much at all).
Every student at UCLA needs to do their part to make UCLA a better place for the students. I know I’m doing my part. If any Bruin reads this, ask yourself this question – are you trying to make UCLA a better experience for the future generation? The school administration should be asking what are they doing to foster the type of emotion that makes students want to be involved with their school after graduation. Whatever they’re doing, it isn’t working.
by BruinFan1 on Nov 26, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

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