Big (kicked in the) Balls Pete!
The moniker says it all. Pete Carroll is a big-time gambler, a player; and we have been loving it all these years. The bravado and success have made him an American icon. Pete Carroll has set the bar at new heights with a run that is the envy virtually every other college football coach. However, gamblers don't "win forever," and this season PC and the USC Trojans lost, big time.
Paragon, DC Trojan and most commentators on the Conquest Chronicles have noted that we were expecting some losses in this rebuilding season. What no one expected was an absolute collapse in the two biggest games of the season and in one fairly easy one. These losses were extraordinary in that they succeeded in making Pete Carroll look foolish. Against Washington our ex-assistants took a bunch of scrubs, coached them up and schemed out a win against a team that looked dazed and confused. But, when it came to Oregon and Stanford the message was loud and clear; they are better than USC now and each coach sent his own particular message. Chip Kelly showed "mercy" by shutting down his offense in the 4th quarter, and embarrassment no doubt; but that wouldn't do for the loony Jimbo Harbaugh who decided to put himself in the record books. Revenge is a dish that is served cold, and when Jimbo got his chance he planted a cleat on those big balls and stomped as hard as he could. "What's your deal?" A scream heard around the entire country.
Llast Saturday Pete Carroll had a date with destiny. Looking at the wreckage can anyone of us say we're surprised? On September 11, 2009, Esquire Magazine published an article by Mike Sager in which he related his experiences with Big Balls Pete over a five-month period before the 2009 season. The article is edgy and now wholly complimentary, definitely a good read, and it made me wonder what the hell was going on down at Heritage Hall. Re-reading it this week sent a few small chills down my spine, because through the words of an impartial observer we could see this train was rolling towards the station. My Dad once said these words to me "son, you will fail if someday you start believing your own bullshit." Sager gives us a glimpse:
In the process of honing his craft and his philosophy, Carroll had begun to emerge as a regional pied piper, a man who, in his own words, has the "ability to convene people" in one of the world's most powerful cities. His Facebook page has maxed out his allotment of friends. Nearly fifty thousand souls follow his blog and his tweets on Twitter, which include inspirational messages ("Been thinking all morning about how you only got one life to live... so you better live it or it'll live you"), notes from the Lakers' victory party ("Watching Kobe and the mayor rock out to Lil Wayne - so insane!"), and songs of the day (everything from "Live Your Life," by T. I. and Rihanna, to "Add It Up," by the Violent Femmes).
A "regional pied piper" "honing his craft and his philosophy." Has Pete Carroll transcended football? His public persona would win him the Governorship of California if he wanted it, or he could be a best-selling author self-help books, or an inspirational leader of America's disenfranchised youth. These would certainly be laudable endeavors, but in reality a man can inhabit only one world at a time, and for now Pete Carroll seems to be levitating above the little world of college ball. Sager:
Imagine the historic Los Angeles Coliseum, filled to capacity with a USC football crowd of more than ninety-three thousand , a good many of them doing the cupped-hand thing, a celebration of Carroll's confident tenacity, his tendency to go for it... on fourth down, in noontime pickup basketball games, at a fantasy-football camp for grown men, in every single endeavor he undertakes, from his efforts with ghetto youth (A Better LA) to his partnership with the new owners of the L. A. Marathon to his recent enlistment, by the U. S. government, to help focus the training of small-group military units to the little competitions he is constantly playing against himself
During interviews this week, PC put on a good face saying the team was doing fine and that he didn't take Harbaugh's actions seriously. If he sincerely feels this way it would indicate that "win forever" was a metaphor that simple-minded fans thought would apply to actually winning football games. Perhaps winning forever is a state of mind in which you feel like a winner no matter what happens, as long as you're having as much firkin' fun as possible.
In some of his philosophical writings, which he shared with the understanding they would remain off the record, he mentions a wide range of influences, including psychologist Abraham Maslow (self-actualization), author Tim Gallwey (Inner Tennis), countercultural Swiss psychologist Carl Jung, Tibetan Buddhist monk and meditation master Chogyam Trungpa, and Zen master D. T. Suzuki.
Winning requires an organization, hard work, willingness learn new things and the ability to take accept advice and criticism. Your coworkers should always be your toughest critics. Have fun with your work and invite others to join in, but when fun and games come first you pay a price. Here's Sager describing what goes on in meetings.
His eldest, Brennan, thirty, is known as BC. He played tight end for Pitt. Now he's the tight-end coach and chief recruiter for the Trojans. At the conference table, BC is always the loudest and most boisterous. Because the Pittsburgh Penguins had just won the Stanley Cup, he had lately been shouting out "Pens!" at random moments, bringing to mind a Tourette's sufferer. He always sits to Carroll's immediate right; he stopped calling him Dad some years ago. They have the same blazing blue eyes and granite jaw; they speak to each other like two parts of the same brain.
"We both have ADD," Brennan says. "We're weird. It probably helps more than it hurts, being a little off the wall. In this profession there probably aren't a whole lot of people who would pattern their styles after the way he is, and now I'm the junior version of that."
Sorry Brennan, but being "off the wall" definitely hurts. BC is big and loud and sitting at the right hand of his Dad. Who will utter a discouraging word? The line is as clear as a yellow first down marker, who's going to cross it? That would be nobody.
Carroll entered from his office across the hall, McMuffin in hand. His mouth was full, he was chewing, he was wearing the silly/happy expression of a guy who's just come to work after his morning surf. "What's happenin' boys?"
"A little camp today!" hollered the defensive coordinator, Haruki Rocky Seto, "Rock" to his friends, a second-generation Japanese American named for the boxer Marciano. (His brothers are named after Sonny Jurgensen and Johnny Bench.) An undersized junior-college fullback who made the Trojans as a walk-on, Seto entered the coaching ranks as a video assistant, filming practices. When Carroll came to town for his first USC press conference nine years ago, Rocky was the kid who picked him up at the airport. Now he's in charge of Carroll's first love: defense.
They're a tight knit family and Pete is more than just a patriarch, he is their lord and master. This is PC's perfect staff, they owe him everything and they're loyal to the end. There is no dissention.
Carroll talks a lot about his coaches "growing up in the program." He likes grooming his own people instead of bringing in established stars. He is proud of the fact that former assistant coaches, like Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian, who recently departed for Pac-10 rival Washington, have gone on to head-coaching jobs themselves. "I want guys to come to the program knowing that I'll do everything in my power to get them the job of their dreams at some other place," he says.
Play your cards right and you too can move up. Do you wonder why Nick Holt would take the crappy job of running the UW defense? Or why every other standout coach has left? Pete's words:
"When I went to junior college, it started happening for me. And when I finally got to Pacific, my first year I made the all-conference team, I was captain, all that shit. It was like I had a chip on my shoulder. I had something to prove; I was gonna prove it to everybody. I've lived that way ever since."
After Pete's humbling experiences with the Patriots and Jets he came to USC and installed a dream team staff of coaches, with Norm Chow as first among equals running the offense and Ed Orgeron enforcing discipline on the defense and bringing in every recruit they wanted. But success came so quickly and easily that the light that suddenly shone so bright blinded Pete completely. "I had something to prove; I was gonna prove it to everybody." Apparently, Norm Chow, Ed Orgeron, Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, Nick Holt, Mack Brown, Karl Dorrell, Mike Riley, Chip Kelly and Jim Harbaugh also had something to prove. Slick Rick and Mike Stoops are looking forward to their chance to do the same.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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So where do we go from here?
Do you want Pete fired? Because he lost 2 games? Who would replace him? I don’t like the losses, but where would we be without him. I’ll question a great many things, but not that PC is the best coach in the nation.
Why is everyone coming down so hard on BC? Is there a better TE coach in the nation? Other than being a goof what’s so wrong with him? We talk about the Trojan Family and SCions and now were calling nepotism?
Where do we go? We get better!
No one here is calling for Pete’s head, and BC is certainly a good position coach (Blake Ayles aside). However, but by your own admission Brennan is a goof, which would be OK if he weren’t our Recruiting Coordinator. Is there a more important job on the staff? Perhaps that helps to explain our recent difficulties on that front.
Look ilium, we love Pete Carroll and wouldn’t trade him for anyone, but he’s not beyond reproach. You can’t possibly make comparisons between this coaching staff and the group we had during the Championship years, they’re not even close. If Pete refuses to evolve and make some staff improvements we will drift into mediocrity.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 21, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure the recruiting is all on Brennan
I don’t know why Te’o and Burfict (I think it was grades) didn’t come, but he hasn’t done all that bad. I really think that Holt leaving left a hole in the D. As I understand it he left because he thought PC didn’t really trust him, and maybe it took this season to prove to PC that he really did need someone. I think the Bates idea was a good try, but I don’t think that its working out, and I hope that a change is made. I would love to have a coaching staff the caliber of the one we had in the glory years, and I sincerely hope that Pete sets things right.
I think what seems to bother people most lately is the BS that Ripsit and other sources seem to put out. While I don’t believe it for a minute, I understand why they do it. These days everyone tries to spin everything. You didn’t just get your but kicked, you showed courage in the face of adversity. Its garbage, but people feel like if you don’t get your own spin out there, you will have to deal with others. They might be right. I read that Esquire piece and I really liked it. I appreciate that PC is a really unique guy. I don’t think a conventional guy like Tressel would fit in at USC. Yeah the Win Forever stuff is a little cringe-worthy, but I get what he is trying to do, he’s hoping to give the kids something to believe in, and help them believe in themselves.
I think that next weekend will be a crossroads. If this team cannot get together to play UCLA, at home, at night with a rocking crowd they are lost. Whats more they would be clueless. In many ways the UCLA game defines what it means to be a Trojan. Its not about the Rose Bowl or the BCS, its about the rivalry. They don’t have to be a good team, they just have to be Trojans.
That pretty much sums it up for me
Couldn’t agree with you more, and what makes the Ripsit spin more egregious is that the losses were to Oregon and Stanford were truly embarrassing. Don’t give us the "Fight On’ line when our eyes just saw “quit now.” Holt did leave a massive hole, and his departure left Te’o to wonder what was going to happen. Guys that know Holt will tell you that he left because he was DC in name only, and Pete runs the show; same goes for the offense.
As for Burfict, the Recruiting Coordinator that’s supposed to keep the commits in line with admissions and help them through the Clearing Office. Burfict was a “special case” and for some reason things broke down and he went to ASU where he said they really wanted him, and they figured out a way to get him on the field. Does that say something good about BC and our recruiting organization? Probably not.
fUCLA won today without with the help of six ASU turnovers and as usual their offense looked awful. If they manage to beat us, all hell must break loose.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Loco
Miss you at InsideSC, glad I found you here. Sucess can be a bitch and how you handle it says a lot about a person, ask Mr. Harbaugh….
November 28 is a big test for the current team and I’m really worried about Arizona.
Fight On my friend.
Hey gnossos!
Glad to see you over here. I still check the Wolfbag for that occasional bit of actual information, but as you know a lot of the time the site is more about Wolf and his petty vendettas and obsessions than about USC football. To make matters worse, the fUcla trolls over there are extremely dimwitted and their shtick just ’aint worth the bother.
Paragon and DC Trojan run this site and they are two of the smartest guys you’ll encounter, and they take care of this place like it was their own home. Opposing points of view are respected, but flamers are not given free reign.
We welcome you and look forward to hearing you well informed opinion. I would suggest that you put up a Fanpost to let everyone know you’re here and to give us your take on Rivalry Week and next Saturday’s Cross Town Smackdown!
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 22, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
But don't you miss---Charlie (I stepped in it) bucket and Yoda
LAVIN IS THE GREATEST AND TROY WILL RISE ON NOV 28
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 22, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
They’re so stupid, even Mushroom would reject them. Strange though, Yoda bears an uncanny resemblance to MexiBruin.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 22, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, anything you say Little Dancing Bear
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
We All Love PC
But Loco is right on frakking target.
PC needs to wake up and put together a coaching staff where he is first among equals – a proven DC and a proven OC running the respective units while PC makes the Executive Decisions, masters the Big Picture, but keeps his hands off the details. Executives who dabble in details soon become Former Executives.
If this year is a slap in the face and PC wakes up, he’ll realize he needs to go back to the 2001-2005 coaching philosophy and kill the creeping micromanagement that has slowly depleted the USC Trojans of their creativity and brilliance and power and drive.
If PC just keeps on keeping on with the SOS, then in a couple of years it WILL be time for him to go.
It’s up to PC. The future is his to choose.
This all reminds me of my HS Varsity FB coach.
We probably had some of the best all around athletes in CIF, but could never win our league championship. This meant no playoffs because back then only league champs went to playoffs, we would always lose to either Compton or Centennial. The coach meant well but had 2 negatives one always playing favorites and the other being a racist.
Know I don’t think PC falls into the later category, but it looks like he might be playing favorites in the last 2 campaigns.
my HS coaches staff was pretty much like Carrolls, you had your ex-players and your yeller and screamer and finally the a couple that could really coach. The funny thing was the best 2 coaches were the JV head coaches, and they moved on to other schools. Even are B & C teams head coach was better and he became a head coach at Ghar HS when they open up.
I have talked with Loco on this next subject, that I have notice a change in PCs sideline demeanor all year to previous ones. He really doesn’t look to be all there so what is it, something going on in his life or just hit the wall. I have always like his enthusiasm since the first time I heard him speak, so I trust in him. I hope he finds his way is he know like Wooden, time to move along.
LAVIN IS THE GREATEST AND TROY WILL RISE ON NOV 28
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 22, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions
Good insight there Paul. Serious question here; do you think Pete is tired of Wining Forever (almost literally)? I mean, do you think he’s bored to the point of looking for another outlet? I personally don’t think so, but I don’t watch him closely enough (ie at all)
To be really honest I don't give a dam, what his life is, or really anybody else.
You are a young man who basically lives off my and others Tax dollars, really tell me who or what you have save us or me from. HA HA HA
Have a great day spending my 17,976.13 yearly tax contribution.
LAVIN IS THE GREATEST AND TROY WILL RISE ON NOV 28
by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 23, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions

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