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Stanford 55 - USC 21 The King is Dead...Long Live the King

Well there are no more records to be broken.

There is no aura left to deflate.

Things sure look different than 2005...

Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom after years of success to help you get refocused. I went through that myself when I moved to NYC. A season like this is humbling and maybe that is what Pete Carroll needs.

I have no answers for today's game I won't call it loss, I won't call it a drubbing...I don't know what to call it.

I am not thinking about ucla in two weeks. There will be time for that and SC will have time to prepare for that. Pete Carroll needs to take some time to reflect on just what direction this team is headed as the team moves forward...for this season and next. The excuse of youth and injuries is not going to cut it any more. I could not believe how porous this USC defense looked. For all this "talent" I cannot believe how poor the play was at times today. This team had NO answers today or for the past few games.

We are now just another team that has a lot of questions. For as much as I have supported him in the past I am not sure Pete Carroll has the answers...

I am not mad...at least not now. I have seen this before. In business and with other teams. No one stays on top forever and when teams fall it is not pretty. We have seen it with Miami, Nebraska, Florida St and others.

This was not pretty.

So that is it, I may have more later or tomorrow or sometime next week.

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Im thankful for the win........but I must give the Trojans their props.

First I must say:

Thanks for allowing me to tag along on your blog, its one of the best and makes SB Nation the “go-to” place for sports blogs and info

Sure this game didnt go the way USC wanted, but there is nothing to be ashamed about with this program.

It’s the model program by which all others strive to be……….7 straight conference championships, outstanding BCS record, 2 NC trophies…….one of the greatest college coaches and recruiters of all time.

This has been one of the greatest ERA’s for any one school in the history of college sports.

I am and will continue to be a fan of the way USC conducts its business on the field of play………If Stanford can achieve a 1/10th of what USC has this decade then I would be grateful……needless to say this has been the best two week run for Stanford in a long long time…………….

How funny is that? Two weeks compared to an entire decade…….that should give you Trojan fans some glorous perspective even though today wasnt one of your best days. Chin up fellas……..you’ll be back whooping ass in no time.

Fight on!

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Dude Seriously...

…You are unbelievably classy. Thanks a lot, and every ounce of anger I have towards our team is quelled by my marvel at the fact that this kind of class can still exist in sports fans. That’s awesome and I really hope your team the best, just not next year when we travel to Stanford. :) Beating Luck will be hard.

By the way, congrats to Toby Gerhart. That guys is classy as can be. I saw his post-game interview and for a dude that was passed on by our team, he didn’t say one vindictive thing. I’m happy for him, because I know I wouldn’t be able to contain myself.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Nov 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

guy*

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Nov 14, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Trust me its easy to relish a win like this and keep things in perspective when you follow a team like Stanford.....

and the Buffalo Bills…….

I know what its like to be bottom feeders all the time…….as long as Harbaugh stays around there’s no reason to believe that Stanford cant but together season after season of what we’ve had this year.

Still work to be done though.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It's 11 National Championship Trophies

Not two

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So where do you see Harbaugh next year? Maybe with your beloved Bills?

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Man I would KILL for that.......

but I dont Ralph Wilson would ever do that………

As far as I understand he did just sign an extension earlier this year (a 3 year extension I believe) so I assume he’ll be back next year…….but if the money is good….and he has the same kinda power he has at Stanford, I could see him leaving for a more prestigious job.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Since you’re more of a Harbaugh fan than s Furd fan I wish you luck with that!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Cleveland and Washington beckon

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If i was gonna take an actual guess as to an NFL team...

I would say the Raiders…….he’s been on the staff before and Al Davis loves him.

Plus not like he has to move far……..but I think Jim would have to tell AL to back the “f” off and let him do his thing.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

And, Mich or ND

Rodriguez’s off the field antics plus another terrible season have him back on the hot seat.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno bout Michigan.....

not sure if you guys heard or not but Harbaugh made some pretty nasty remarks about Michigan and their lack of “academic” standards…after he took the Stanford job….ruffled some feathers over there at his alma mater…..but who knows.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Notre Dame is a definite possiblity

They’ll love him because he beat us twice at home. I don’t know if he’s Catholic but coming from Toledo, OH that’s probably a big YES, and he coached at the (Catholic) University of San Diego. They’ll pay him >$4Mill/year easy over there.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I will cry.......

if he goes to ND………very few teams I hate……….they are on the top of that list.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It would certainly rile PC from his stupor

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That would make a lot of sense....

thx, norcal, didn’t recall Harbaugh slamming Mich. Wonder if any Domers will use the Willingham experience to knock Harbaugh. But, what a perfect fit. And, what incredible spice to add to the rivalry.

Boy, I hate ND so much that I would prefer to see them suck forever. Harbaugh/ND vs PC/USC would become epic in a hurry, however.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is his quote......

"Michigan is a good school and I got a good education there," he said, "but the athletic department has ways to get borderline guys in and, when they’re in, they steer them to courses in sports communications. They’re adulated when they’re playing, but when they get out, the people who adulated them won’t hire them."

I borrowed this from here

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome! You can hang with us anytime.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Furthermore at the end of that blog post there is this part.

Oh, and Jimbo, kiss any chance of coaching at Michigan good-bye. Enjoy Palo Alto.

I would say “Jimbo” is enjoying his time much more so than that blog author right now.

Just a hunch lol.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The only problem with you

is you’re rooting for the wrong team. Maybe when Jimbo leaves you can switch your allegiance.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha....

well Im always a fan of USC (like I said in my first post) and Im a Los angeles native…….(born in Culver City) but NorCal is my home……and I’ll be damned if I root for those dirty hippies over in Berkeley!

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, you're not a Trojan

but, many of our interests are aligned. Good stuff on Harbaugh! I reluctantly admit that I would rather lose to the Farm than to Kal Commies.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Ditto!

See ya…

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

dont have to be a trojan to respect the program…..I’d much rather trade wins back and forth ocassionally and be competitive then get our rear’s handed to us like last year!

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude!

You ARE a Trojan. I knew it! I’m off to dinner, g’night amigo.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

later

thanks for the good discussion!

Look foward to future ones.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd!!!!!!

This is how a classy opposing fan acts.

Fair warning to any trolls coming over…

by Paragon SC on Nov 14, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

Wow that was just crazy, was I dreaming 2012 came early for Trojan FB

Please don't tell me what to do or think, what I might say is a personal opinion.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 14, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

End of an era indeed.

To enjoy the peaks one must walk through the valleys.

by BackdoorBarkley on Nov 14, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

Stop it!

Barkley is still alive. While that man lives, Traveler will continue to work-out on Saturdays.

One, two, or three games an era does not end. Troy lost Hector(aka: Rey+Cush+Clay+Fili) but it still took the Greeks a while to break through (if my mythology is correct).

We’ll be back next year. FIGHT ON!

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Nov 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Loss of Fili

is rarely mentioned, but possibly most damaging.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense is Explainable

Averill was OUT. Fangupo OUT. Armstead in a cast, and not a natural DT anyway. Tupou is undersized at DT (why isn’t he a LB?). DaJohn Harris has been a disappointment. Derek Simmon is a converted O-lineman.

Our only good, healthy DT is Jurrell Casey!!! Also, all of our LBs are undersized. And, our DEs – Nick Perry, Everson – are pass rushers and weak against the run.

The defense can be fixed with recruiting, health, and experience.

An offense returning 10 players, however, requires an extensive overhaul. We had 3 scores, 4 TOs, 3 punts, and 2 failed 4th downs. All against a terrible defense! The offense is our biggest weakness.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

True! Our offense this year is embarrassing

Your brother must be driving you nuts with his Horned Frogs, no amigo?

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG! ESPN Gameday was there.

This is the biggest day in Fort Worth in 50 years. They really represented well on GameDay. Yes, my lil bro is driving me nuts. But, he always does.

What makes it more palatable, however, is that I too have bought into TCU this season. They have been solid in the past, but I honestly think they are special this season. When was the last time a BCS buster beat a team like Clemson on the road during the regular season? Clemson with Spiller at Death Valley? TCU has a great coach and balls of steel when scheduling.

I would really love to see a TCU/Texas finale with TCU winning. Florida, Bama, and Cinci are simply not that impressive this season. TCU could be the Villanova or NC St basketball team for football, if the “system” would just give them a shot.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

We should steal their Offensive Coordinator!

Take that!!!!!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Desmond ran through their offense on Gameday

They simply call it a “multiple offense”. Get this, in case you missed it on GD. They run pro-style I formations, running options, and the spread! They run everything!

And, mother of all creatures large and small, they are up 35-7 against Utah with 10 MINUTES left in the 2nd qtr! I’m not joking. TCU could beat Florida, Bama or Texas. Not saying that they would, but they would have a decent shot.

The TCU coach has also been mentioned for ND, BTW.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Simply amazing

Their head coach is too big a fish now, but I’d love to steal their OC! Can you imagine that guy with Barkley and USC level talent at the skill positions? Devastating.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Patterson is remarkable.......

Especially considering how many schools take all those Texas Kids….he gets some slim pickings most of the time.

Very Impressed with him and TCU.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

"all of our LBs are undersized"

Thats an understatement.

Gerhardt was bigger and faster than all of out LB except for Kennard, who seemed to be respectable considering it was his first start ever as an LB.

Morgan is a nickel, third-down type LB. Gallippo, he was a five star recruit? Maybe all the back surgeries have taken a toll, and forced him to lose weight, but he was abused today. Has been since the Oregon State game. The fumble he forced an Gerhardt was while Gerhardt was running right though him. Don’t get me started on Malcolm Smith. Chris Polk abused him in game 3, since then, the line on Smith seems to be “run straight at him, he can’t get off blocks.”

It also seems that the line on the SC defense is that once you get past the D-Line by forcing/leading them into certain gaps, there is nothing between you and the safeties.

Wolf posted that all four DB had double digits in tackles.

Our offense is atrocious. The playcalling — I thought I was watching the Paul Hackett USC teams, or the Karl Dorrell UCLA teams. Unimaginative, uninspired, no central philosophy, and no, “take care of the ball” is not a central philosophy. You mean that no other of the 119 NCAA teams don’t believe taking care of the football is a important. What is USC scheme? What does USC do. I don’t know. It’s like watching the John Shoop Chicago Bears offenses of the late 90’s.

by Zoulou on Nov 14, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the end of a run only

The era has not ended yet, we’ll have to lose a lot more games before that happens.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

All respect to USC

1) As an Oregon Duck fan, I was pulling for the Trojans today; a USC win would have made our path to the Rose Bowl a lot easier. Stanford’s win removes any margin for error—any shred of it. Now, as I see it: We win out, or we go back to the Holiday Bowl. Or worse.

2) USC is still the class of the Pac-10. One mediocre season doesn’t kill a dynasty. If we beat you next year, at your house, then—-maybe—-we can talk about the dethroning of USC.

3) For reasons athletic, aesthetic and just plain jingoistic, please put a serious hurt on Arizona the last week of the season.

Thank you.

Life is a sport: Watch other people play it.

by Al Orange on Nov 14, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

Bartender, 'nother Round!

Ouch. Some quick bullets, cuz I don’t want to dwell:

1) everyone will talk about the defense. we are very young, inexperienced, hurt and undersized along the front 7. we underestimated the impact of Loni Fangupo. Tupou is undersized, Spicer is still hobbling?, DaJohn Harris sucks, Jurrell is the only stud in the hole. LBs are ALL undersized too. DEs are good rushers, bad against the run. where was the rush anyway?

2) what will be lost is that the offense (returning 10 starters) was almost as bad as the defense. if we only have 1 TO instead of 4, and convert a few of those drives, then this would be a close game. the loss got so out of hand because of how much the offense contributed to it. the media will solely blame the defense, as usual.

3) one bright spot was….drum roll….opened up the offense with old, west coast schemes!!! 4 wide, trips stacked sets, motion, shotgun. we had some of our best drives, momentum, and consistency of the season offensively. with the spread, Joe Mc had his best game of the year. where have the west coast schemes been all year? or, since 2005? you could feel the offense getting into a fast-paced rhythm, the defense on its heals in the 1st half, all until….

4) Barkley’s TOs took their toll. the Barkley experiment has failed. going from HS to the PacX in one year as a true frosh is simply not possible. in retrospect, PC bet the season on Barkley and lost. wonder if we would be faring better with Mustain?

What’s not lost is how good Luck, Gerhart, and the Stanford coaching was. Great schemes, great players, great attitude. Luck is going to be a pain for years to come.

PC needs to focus recruiting on DT and LB. Bring in about 10 players at those positions. PC needs to rethink how he manages QBs, especially youngsters. Consider starting Mustain the rest of this season, and opening up the competition for next year. PC needs to open up the offense with spread and west coast schemes a la 2005, instead of relying on the defense to win close games. And, PC could use some help at assistant coach….more experience, less turnover, and more delegation of responsibility. I trust in PC and know that SC will be back. What a great ride it was. Should have had 2 more BCS champs though. this era is officially ended. can PC start another one?

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone lip read what PC said to Harbaugh at the handshake?

Looked like…“what were you trying to do, run it up. yeah, thanks for that (sarcastic). nice game.” Anyone else get a read?

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know but the dude is a jerk

Please don't tell me what to do or think, what I might say is a personal opinion.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 14, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

im sure people feel that way about all the great coaches.....

Carroll, Meyer, Saban………….the coaches who are most despised are the ones who are the most successful………and sometimes they do stuff like what Harbaugh did today.

Their cockyness and arrogance is part of what makes them all great.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I have never seen Pete do something like that and any coach at USC since 1968

But take your coach and team and lose to Cal and ND , thanks and good bye!

Please don't tell me what to do or think, what I might say is a personal opinion.

by so.cal.native1952 on Nov 14, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah Pete Carroll has never run up the scores on anyone.......

Not UCLA, not Arkansas (twice) not Nebraska…….

Face it…….it happens………it sucks……….but it happens.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

No more than Stanford ran up the score.......

I mean they literally didnt throw a pass after being up 21…….which is exactly they type of things Carroll did too up big (WazzU game being the first that came to mind)

I dont agree with the two-point call at all……but thats something Jim Harbaugh has to deal with…….not me.

Im sure last years blow out (when you guys were up 45-17 until the last play of the game) had something to do with todays outcome.

Dont forget about the 21 point outburst your boys put on Stanford in the 4th quarter last year……..

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with scoring the TD's

it is SC job to stop them

Going for two on the other hand….

by Paragon SC on Nov 14, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont know what the justification for that was......

Im sure Harbaugh had his reasons…….but like I said…..I wouldnt have done that……and I cant think of one reason why, maybe we’ll find out though. I would like to know.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He's NFL bound

You have to PROVE you’re a jerk to coach in the NFL…

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He would have been fine

but nobody it was the Raiders. No one can handle Al Davis.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of the Raiders........

thats a place Harbaugh has expressed interest in coaching……and Al and Jim have a mutual respect for each other.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard as much but I don’t think he’s crazy enough to want to work for Al Davis. That said, Harbaugh has always been lucky so maybe the old guy kicks the bucket soon after he signs up. Job #1, get rid of Russell!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

they have tons of problems........(the raiders)

it would literally be like when he took over at Stanford…….problem is the NFL is more of a win now or your out…….like win in the first year……and that team needs some SERIOUS SERIOUS help.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Only ONE Problem w/ da Raiders

And, it’s crazy grandpa Al. He has ruined a prestigious organization. The Raiders were my team as a kid. I turned on Al when he benched Marcus at the peak of his career.

Remove Al and the RAiders can be fixed. He is an embarrassment. I actually did some research, and the NFL can remove an owner for conduct and ineptitude detrimental to his organization. Of course, the lawsuit would last for years. If I were a season ticket-holder however, I would sue Al’s ass!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Time is not on Al's side

Any reputable coach will demand full control, and if he’s not willing to give it he’ll just end up with another Tom Cable. I figure he may want to win again before he dies

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, why would he go so far out of his way to act like a jerk? Big difference between Harbaugh and Chip Kelly, no? This whole ending smells of a plan to me.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is a proven turnaround specialist now

He would be money for the Raiders

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

the whole thing gives me a headache thinking about it......

but even if Harbaugh does leave I still have Troy Calhoun at AF who I know wont be going anywhere anytime soon so I’ll still have him :-)

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Furd had a big rooting interest with us now

If they win out and we beat Arizona they go to the Rose Bowl; and Harbaugh goes.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Well they only have to win next week to do that actually.

the ND game will have no effect on the Rose Bowl berth……

And I have to say I like Stanfords chances without Best…..and they’re at home.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

They lost to Arizona

so they need Oregon and Arizona to lose no?

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Oregon has to lose

honestly, I think Oregon St could steal the whole thing. USC and Oregon beat Zona, Oregon St beats Oregon and wins out, and Oregon St goes.

Stanford is way hot. But, so is Canfield and Oregon St. I’m really not sold on Zona yet. And, it will be interesting to see if Oregon rebounds at Autzen. This would be a great season to have a PacX championship game, no round robin, and a 12 team conference.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah the Cardinal are definitely on the outside looking in....

but I woulda taken a berth in the Emerald bowl for crying out loud….

Or Hawaii or whatever the worst bowl berth they could get this year…..everything else is icing on the cake right now.

Although if they do go to the Emerald bowl then they could have a homefield advantage and I could probably go watch em play.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I'd love the Emerald Bowl now...

New Year’s Eve in San Francisco can be a lot of fun. If it happens I’m taking the family!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

A fine kettle of fish

This could be an absolute mess at the end. Our new leader should take stock and end the round robin travesty.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Need to split it up North and South

and have a conference championship…….

North could be (Stanford, OSU, UO, WASH, WAZZU)

South (Cal, UCLA, USC, UA, ASU)

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

What’s Harbaugh’s contract status? He won’t be around long. Especially with Gerhart likely leaving this year too. Luck is a great one, though. You guys remember his father Oliver with the Oilers? Great genes.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

As far as I remember he signed a new extension at the beg of this year

like 3 more years to 2013…..but I cant be sure on that.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not stupid

I doubt it contains a big buy-out

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Got some more info for you.....

Signed 5 year contract originally…….in 06…..and apparently (rumor is) he got an extension which started at the end of last year for 3 more years to stretch it to 2014……..paying him about 1.25mil per year……..

But Im sure there is some buyout…….there would have to be.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

also there were reports that because of the economy Harbaugh never actually signed the contract....

I’ve found conflicting reports…….

Too bad Stanford doesnt have someone like Oregon has to help out “booster wise”

Its only a matter of time (maybe months) till he’s gone to greener pastures.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s a schemer, what would you expect? I doubt Furd can match an NFL size contract.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the thing though......

He was coaching in the NFL…..he was on the 2002 Raiders Staff that went to the Superbowl……He left there to coach at University of San Diego……..then on to Stanford…..doesnt really sound like the moves a coach that wants to run an NFL team makes……..but it could just wishful thinking on my part.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Good info, Norcal

$1.25 is low by current standards.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

His orginally was for 800K a year

which he may or may not still be on…..

And either way its especially low for the Bay Area!

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I would expect “some buyout” but I wouldn’t expect it would be huge. By NFL standards $1,25mill is pretty cheap.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Hate to tell you

but Chip Miller showed far more class than Habaugh. In any case, I seriously doubt well see him in the Pac-10 next year.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is scoring points for the NFL

He made a big deal about Pete heading back to the pros, but who would you guess is going to make the move now. I seriously doubt Harbaugh will be back next year. Heck, he may even try to get the Notre Dame gig.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont disagree with your assessment at all......

someone is gonna come throw a ton of money at him…….college and/or NFL…..

if he goes…….he goes…….he’s obviously earned it rescuing the doormat of the Pac-10.

But we’ll see.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Willingham blazed that trail for him

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

actually Walt Harris did.......

Willingham was the last coach to get Stanford to a bowl game in 2001……..then he left for ND……..and Walt Harris came in and stunk up the joint for a few years lol.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

True that! You really ARE a Furd Fan, but what I meant is that Willingham left for greener pastures because of his success.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Eminem said it best.....

Back to reality…. ooops there goes gravity.

by BackdoorBarkley on Nov 14, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Good news; bad news

My condolences. You guys had a rough one today.

Good news: USC still has more talent than any team in the country (even us); it’s just young talent. This is your rebuilding year, much the way Florida had a 9-4 season two seasons ago. You guys will be back strong next season.

Bad news: As a Bama fan, I was rooting hard for USC the rest of the season, mostly because of your head to head recruiting battles with Florida. If you let Florida slide into California and sign Ronald Powell, Joshua Shaw, and Kenny Stills, the King really is dead. You set up our biggest championship SEC rival to have, by far, the best recruiting class in the country, while crowning them the new King of college football (whether we beat them or not).

I fear that today’s game pretty much sewed that up for Florida.

My condolences. You guys had a rough one.
But it wasn’t a good day for the rest of the SEC, either.

by BamaHammer on Nov 14, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Fair Point

But, we have debated that. Does a down year for a power program hurt recruiting, or do some recruits see a better opportunity to play early? In the past, we have lost most of our recruiting battles due to our exhaustive depth chart. Not sure PC can’t spin this the right way for recruiting.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not worried...

It happens…TO EVERYONE

SC will get it back next season but PC is going to have to make some changes…

by Paragon SC on Nov 14, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's just say that

if PC insists on holding onto the Bates/Morton combo we’ll lose on the recruiting trail. This was the worst home loss in USC history and on the post-game show PC admitted he was humbled, and sounded like he was rocked to his core. The loss will be a big win if he divests himself of those two and brings in a real Offensive Coordinator. I’d go for the hugest fish out there and it will be Charlie Weiss, or at lest a current winning OC from another program. There’s a dozen guys out there that would jump at the opportunity, but PC has to give them full control.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Said

Honestly, no one should be surprised that we lose 3 games this season. It would have been an understandable result. However, the WAY that we have lost these 3 games, and the high risk of losing 4 games is what should cause concern.

I have major faith in PC. This isn’t the end of the world. In chaos, lies opportunity. PC is still the best recruiter out there. He just needs to overhaul his schemes, strengthen and delegate more to his staff, embrace change and evolution, and understand that one coach micromanaging a high turnover staff is a mismatch against deep, experienced, stable staffs.

Every powerhouse has an off-year. Being kicked in the teeth might serve us better than scraping by to a 10-win season. I trust that PC will roll up his sleeves and get after it.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What do you think

about bringing the Fat Man? He’ll pocket a huge buy out and he will have a CW size chip on his shoulder. As far as I know he doesn’t hate PC and may have significant affinity for him based on their mutual East Coast connections. Charlie is an unbelievable recruiter, he knows the college game and can rightfully claim the mantle of “offensive guru.” Hey, if you can’t beat-em, join-em. Two good years here would rehab his image completely, and who knows, maybe some California sunshine and healthy lifestyle would turn the guy’s life around!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Big Slice of Humble Pie

Fun to think about. And, I would assume that they have a lot of mutual friends from the NFL. I definitely think that Charlie is a great OC, and exactly what PC needs. But, definitely a long shot of actually happening. You would think that Charlie would just head back to the NFL somewhere.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, but I can't imagine him fitting in anywhere in the NFL

He’s a college coach now, and damaged goods. He needs to rehab his image or settle in with a little program; I don’t think his ego is equipped to do that.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t see that happening. Weis is a Notre Dame alum, he’s steeped in that program’s mythology and has been since he was 18. In fact, I read some comments on Blue Gray Sky to the effect that he’s such a true believer he’s not willing to be ruthless enough to get rid of people (which doesn’t make a lot of sense, really, suggesting that your coach is too into the alleged features of your school that you trumpet to everyone else).

Between that and the ego / career ramifications, it just doesn’t seem likely.

by DC Trojan on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, about our Staff

I am forming a negative opinion on a staff with too much NFL experience. You obviously need to dumb it down and simplify for the college kids. How many of our problems can be explained by NFL coaches making things too complicated?

Especially the special teams. I think KO or punt coverage is ranked +100 in the nation? Is the NFL coach simply confusing the crap out of the young athletes. And, I know that Bates said that he is simplifying the offense, but it sure hasn’t clicked.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Tex, I think for all of us

the image of Bates sitting on the sideline scratching plays of the card (with Corp shaking his head) will be a permanent reminder of that.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Didn’t think I could smile today. Thx! Better to laugh than to cry, right?

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s agree that one should never base one’s happiness on the performance of a bunch of kids. I’m headed out for dinner, catch you later Tex!

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Adios

The sun will come out, tomorrow!

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Having a "down" year does not mean the end of an era

unless you are defining the era as “7 straight Pac-10 titles, etc.” It is the end of some streaks, to be sure, but I think we need to see how things go next year and the year after that before we can write the epitaph for this ’SC dynasty.

I didn’t see all the game, but it looks ike you guys ran into the same buzzsaw we ran into up at the Farm. Well coached, disciplined, smart, fundamentally sound football team. I am stunned at the final score, but not the result; I thought USC would win but certainly felt Stanford had a shot. What has perplexed me in watching USC the past few weeks is the continued regression of the defense. I see some posts laying the blame on injuries and the undersized LB corps, but I think the real problem is this: not matter who good the recruits are, or how many stars they have, you simply don’t know how good they are until they start playing. This crop of kids replacing the all-world defense you have fielded thepast few seasons may turn out to be great, but you have so many new starters, you simply cannot expect every year to have no drp-off in production and reel off 10 and 11 win seasons. So yah, it sucks to be headed for the Sun Bowl, but come on-we’ve had a decade of craptastic awesomeness over in Westwood and at this point I’d be pretty damned happy wth a Sun Bowl, as would any sane Bruin. So have a cocktail, DO NOT watch the replay, and remember USC will be back (much as it pains me to say it.)

by ucladj89 on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

All good points dj

You are in synch with everything we say above, but no one was expecting a championship run this season, especially after Mark Sanchez bailed out

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Nov 14, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Have To Admit Even I Was Surprised

That Stanford would come into the Coliseum today and do what they did to you guys despite the fact that they’ve been playing awfully well lately. Harbaugh’s breathed a LOT of confidence into that program and I think this makes the Pac 10 that much tougher.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

The Media, Football Fans, and even Most USC fans

do not understand just how depleted, small, and inexperienced we are on the front 7 after sending 5 of 7 last season to the pros. We are now playing DEs at DT, DEs at LB, and S at LB. Our defense is patchwork at this point. We were shocked with the loss of 2 LBs on signing day, and 1 LB to a rare heart condition. And, our 2 largest DTs are both OUT with injury.

It’s amazing just how little the press digs to explain a story. The quality of sports reporting has never been lower, huh? I guess that’s why were are on an awesome blog run by professional bloggers.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

and thats exactly why Newspapers are becoming obsolete.......

blogs have more knowledgeable fans…….who actually (gasp!) research things…..I will always come to a blog to backup a newsstory I read………….funny how the times have changed!

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 14, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Time to hire a defensive coordinator who understands the college game

PC just doesn’t seem to be able to keep up with the modern college game as a play caller.

We’ve been out schemed all season and our defensive players have looked woefully undisciplined and uncoached for 2+ seasons now. We need to get someone in here who PC won’t meddle with and will actually call a good game defensively instead of just trying to out talent everyone.

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by bluemax on Nov 14, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions  

The post game show

Seems to think that the defense failing is due in part due to PC spending more time with the offense, the most, according to Darrell Rideaux, since PC has been at SC.

New, frosh QB, new QB coach, new OC.

I think PC needs to find an offensive coach to handle and focus on the offense, while he can concentrate on the defense.

by Zoulou on Nov 14, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I said something similar in my most recent post...
I think PC needs to find an offensive coach to handle and focus on the offense, while he can concentrate on the defense.

by Paragon SC on Nov 14, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally think it's explainable with.....

recruiting losses, injuries, NFL losses, and “undersize-ness”. the front 7 is a patchwork right now, and we got shocked in recruiting. I still have faith in PC as a defensive guru. Offense, on the other hand, is a very different story.

by DFWTrojan on Nov 14, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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