Oregon Routs USC...let the gnashing of teeth begin
by Paragon SC on Oct 31, 2009 8:45 PM PDT
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First off, we need to say congrats to the Ducks they played a great game and really played well.
Now that that out of the way…
I think it safe to say that 2009 is officially a retooling year...not a rebuilding year because we have the talent. The question now becomes what do we do with all of this talent. They are clearly not playing up to expectations...The past few weeks have seen one of the better defenses in the country get exposed.
I am never a fan of losing but I think this punch to the mouth tonight this is exactly what this program needs.
This is not Stanford...this is not losing in Corvallis.
This was a top team in the Pac-10 that absolutely schooled USC.
The USC defense once again was exposed, beat up and confused.
In the early part of the game run defense was in position to bottle Oregon up but the amount of missed tackles that I saw tonight showed this team is not focusing on the fundamentals. Heck, they looked like ucla the past few weeks with their poor tackling. If they make one quarter of the tackles that they let get away we would have been just fine.
I am willing to give this defense a certain amount of slack because of youth but not very much. I realize that they are young and I realize that some of them need a little more seasoning out there. I love our D line...they have been there for us throughout this season. I really have very little complaint with their performance, but they really had a hard time stopping the run. The LB's are still green with big shoes to fill and we saw that they still have some work to do but at some point they have figure out what the opposing offense is doing and adjust to it. The LB's have had some great games this season but they struggled last week against the Beavers and they struggled tonight against the Ducks.
Once again, SC had trouble dealing with a mobile QB. Pete Carroll's defenses have never been great at containing them completely but they have had some success in the past. Tonight it just seemed like they really struggled.
I expected a fair amount of yards, but not 160...In the first half!
At some point, Pete Carroll's defense have to learn to crack the code when it comes to mobile QB's and water bug running backs. The over-pursuing, the lack of holding assignments and the poor tackling have to improve. What I had a bigger problem with tonight is the soft coverage in the secondary, especially in the middle of the field...this is supposedly our most experienced unit. The Holland TD near the end of the first half really bothered me because Pinkard was playing off him so much that there was no way that Pink could catch up to him on that route. Holland was wide open in the end zone.
This is ALL on Pete Carroll. And tonight he got some comeuppance.
This is his defense. I know he likes to keep the play in front of the defense but with a pretty veteran secondary they should not be getting torched like this, and to me it was torched, like we have seen the past three games.
Coach Ruel has some explaining to do in regards to all the false starts (6) that the O line committed tonight. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Barkley was not fazed at all by the noise...just like he said he wouldn't be. Unfortunately, the line was not disciplined tonight...same old story...reminded me of the ucla game in 2006.
The running game looked good at times early, but that was short lived. The passing game looked great until the 4th quarter when the game out of reach. When the defense knows you are going to throw the ball on every play it makes it easy to defend. You could tell that we missed McCoy and Havili. Shoemate made some nice blocks but overall the offense was average.
So, that is pretty much how I see it…We get back at it on Monday.
I may or may not have more tomorrow…if not enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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I doubt any defense would have been able to stop the Ducks from rolling tonight.
And Chip Kelly probably has earned Pac 10 Coach of the Year, hopefully National Coach of the Year. It is amazing how well the Ducks rebounded after getting embarrassed by Boise St. at the beginning of the year.
At least for you guys November is almost here, and for us 0-5 people…well at least basketball season is almost here as well.
by BruinDrums on Oct 31, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They could be stopped
but you have to keep their offense off the field and you have to actually t-a-c-k-l-e people. We haven’t done that for 3 weeks.
We’re just not up to it this year with all the guys we lost to the NFL, especially the linebackers and Sanchez. Plus we had too many guys injured on the sidelines.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 31, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need a new DC
The problem is that PC seems to be clueless against the spread. This is not a pattern anymore it’s a stone cold fact. Rocky is PC junior. We need an infusion of new blood from the outside to change things. The spread is here to stay.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 31, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
I linked this up today…
How does it work between you and Pete Carroll on game days? What role do you play in terms of calling the defense?
RS: Coach [Carroll] calls the defenses and basically I add as much input as I can when he asks me. We have a conversation that keeps going on. Really, it’s been pretty neat. Ever since I’ve been a graduate assistant with him, eight or nine years ago, he’s been a mentor for me and has taken time to have conversations with me. It hasn’t changed much really since we’ve gotten together. It’s been such a blessing to me. It’s a constant conversation throughout the game and throughout the week.
This is all on PC…Seto IS NOT in charge.
by Paragon SC on Oct 31, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we're all aware of that
The point is, Rocky is not a guy that can tell Pete what to do and he’s certainly not going to innovate. He grew up in the system we have and that’s all he knows. We have the talent and next year will be more mature but we don’t seem to know what to do against the spread.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 31, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need PC to Allow a Major offensive overhaul
6 punts on 11 possessions. only 3 points in the 2nd half. we had the talent on offense to put up 48 points. our offensive system is antiquated, and a well-read book to the rest of the PacX.
by DFWTrojan on Nov 1, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is
What you do in terms of adjustments for the rest of the season. Arizona’s athletes probably aren’t on par with Oregon’s, but the way this defense played tonight (not getting off blocks, careless tackling, etc.) there’s no reason to think that AZ might put 30 or 40 on us.
by FightOn09 on Oct 31, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the funny thing...
When SC lost to Texas I felt like I had been punched in the stomach because it was so goddamn close. This time I’m sad that the team got torn apart on their behalf, but this goes into the “sometimes you take a beating” category. Oh well.
by DC Trojan on Oct 31, 2009 9:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
but this goes into the "sometimes you take a beating" category. Oh well.
Gee — I wonder what that must feel like? :|
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by SoCal Oski on Nov 2, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have something you want to tell the class?
by DC Trojan on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From an Oregon perspective
I know how you feel (you guys did this to us MANY times).
On the plus side, Barkley will be one heck of a player, its not his fault you lost.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Oct 31, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...his did his part
nice win good luck the rest of the way.
I am not worried…this team needed to be humbled to fix what is wrong with it.
by Paragon SC on Oct 31, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed a couple big plays
Our pro-style offense puts too much pressure on the QB to execute. The pro-style offense is better off for pros only.
by DFWTrojan on Nov 1, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
caught the second half.
Really just an insanely good job by the Oregon offensive line and Masoli to create, even when the play broke down (which wasn’t often).
You get beat like that, you gotta figure out how to fix it on defense.
by Signal to Noise on Oct 31, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this was embarrassing our D – fence sucked every one missed tackles every one missed assignments in disappointed in our guys
by Dodgermanramon on Oct 31, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost as embarrassing for our O
way overlooked, but our O only had 3 points in the 2nd half and punted on 6 of 11 possessions against a Duck defense full of Frosh and Sophs in the secondary.
by DFWTrojan on Nov 1, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just an embarassing loss
no one on the defensive side of the ball should feel good about themselves. PC can claim all he wants that the big plays in the first half came off broken plays but guys still have to play disciplined and watch their assignments.
A BCS bowl is still a possibility but the defense needs to just blow things up and start over.
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by bluemax on Oct 31, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barkley
is the Real deal. Ridiculously poised for a Freshman, I was pretty damn impressed.
by duckyou on Oct 31, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Schedule mistake?
I thought the USC Trojans were supposed to play tonight.
by uscdude on Oct 31, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This loss will make us better in the long run
I believe being exposed is a good thing. The worst loss in the PC era will have him re-thinking everything, including his defensive schemes. We’ve been able to overcome a lot of our short-comings with superior talent. We can obviously see that the gap is closing. Now this was a perfect storm – SC is “retooling” and this Oregon team has been (and will be) one of its best in a while.
What I’ve noticed in PC’s D is an unwillingness to adjust. This was extremely evident in how we continue to provide cushion to opposing receivers. On some plays we didn’t even cover their receivers and finally Oregon exposed us. I’d have though we might adjust and jam them at the line to at least slow them down, but we didn’t do that. Am I a defensive expert – no. Was it pretty obvious it may have helped to cover every receiver and prevent those quick hits…yes.
Hopefully we address all our issues. I’ve always believed that every year since the NC, we’ve under-achieved (I know how spoiled that sounds, but with the talent we have year in and year out it’s what we fans have come to expect).
Here’s to hoping this loss wakes a sleeping giant and we go on an insane tear and become the first team to win 3 straight BCS championships! I believe todya’s loss is the catapult.
by spn168 on Oct 31, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Will PC Adjust?
Will he? The past 3 weeks have been the sloppiest D since the Hackett era. It’s not just mobile QBs . . . Canfield and Clausen ain’t especially Young-like.
Pete plays a 2005-era defensive plan. It’s succeeded since then because our D talent has been so insanely awesome that despite the stagnant Defensive strategy, the talent kept us near the pinnacle of BCS teams.
Now that the talent is a bit green, the inadequacy of the Defensive plan is exposed.
When’s the last time you found yourself saying “Wow Pete Carroll put together a brilliant defensive strategy tonight!” instead of “Wow, Rey Maualuga or Lawrence Jackson or (Insert All-American Defensive Talent Here) played balls out tonight!”
Think about that. When was the last time our Defensive Strategy, not our Defensive Talent, just blew you away.
Can Pete Carroll adjust? Yes.
Will he?
by uscdude on Oct 31, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Same exact thing can be said of the offense
Haven’t had a top 10 offense since 2005, despite arguably the best talent in the country. JDB was an outstanding college QB. Sanchez was also one of the best in the country. Same with Barkley. Yet the offense, can rarely crack the 30 point barrier?
by DFWTrojan on Nov 1, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to USC
When Masoli is on, there is almost no one in the country that can stop him.
Oregon’s offense is simply impossible to contain if they get going.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Oct 31, 2009 11:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is impossible. Stopping the Oregon offense is entirely possible – if one approaches it the right way and executes. Achieving the “impossible” simply requires the appropriate plan and superior execution.
USC has had neither. Pete has slid down the slippery slope of relying on talent, instead of using analysis, theory, plan, and execution.
by uscdude on Oct 31, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It requires discipline
BSU had that, they also had us playing like crap.
Oregon actually took advantage of USC’s speed with all those screens.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linebackers
Having Rivers, Cush, Rey, Matthews, Maiava, even Sartz for four years hurts us more in attrition, it kept us from recruiting linebackers.
Screens, scheme, none of that works without the knoweldge that Oregon had that if they could get through the D-Line, they didn’t have to worry until they got to the secondary. The linebackers, for the third weak in a row, made few plays at the point of attack. Once the LB start thinking instead of reacting and flowing, then those screens and such work much, much better.
If Galippo is the best LB recruit since the famous haul of 2005, then we are in a world of hurt for the next two years because Malcolm Smith is too small at the point of attack and Gallippo isn’t big enough to get off block or go around them. Morgan does what is does, he is servicable, but if your MLB and your SLB can’t make plays, the cover two is in trouble.
We really could have used Te’o, Burfict and Telford for the future. Te’o and Burfict are going to be stars. Gallippo, Morgan and Smith? Not so much.
by Zoulou on Nov 1, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PC's Recruiting
Is his strongest asset. Are you saying that even Pete’s recruiting hasn’t done the job?
by uscdude on Nov 1, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recruiting is PC's strongest ability
Using schemes more appropriate for 19 year olds at the college level to let them use their speed and athletic ability, and easing the mental demands on the players, is not PC’s strongest suit.
Big question is whether this represents a sea change? Hot, first year Oregon coach. USC is knocked off the pedestal, and looks antiquated on offense and defense. Could this impact recruiting and have more serious long-term ramifications? Or, is it a one year anomaly? To be determined…..
by DFWTrojan on Nov 1, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if nothing else, we learned just how dependent we are on offense on being able to use tight ends and the fullback as outlet passers to get a mismatch in coverage. And that’s not a knock on Ayles and the backup FB to whom I must apologize for forgetting his name. If those plays don’t work out, it’s not even respectable in the end.
I’m not sure that I am prepared to agree yet with Zoulou that the defense is in trouble for the next two years. Maualuga and Cushing weren’t immediately productive, in fact I seem to remember spending a lot of time talking about how Maualuga was too aggressive and wasn’t playing smart at all, by comparison to Lofa Tatupu and Matt Groetegood. Neither of those guys were that big, but they were key parts of successful defenses.
Experience and coaching count for a lot. Last night the defense picked up the experience of becoming a curiosity in the history of USC football, in terms of points and yards conceded. Let’s see if more games and perhaps better coaching can make a difference. Arizona and Stanford should tell us if they’re capable of bouncing back, UCLA will tell us whether there really is a crisis.
by DC Trojan on Nov 1, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who are the most impressive Freshmans and Sophmores??
that are going to be the future of this USC team??
Nick Perry is defintly one of them.. and matt barkeley.. Who else??
by matthewmafa on Nov 1, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I got a few for you how about FB Shoemate LB Jarvis Jones LB Michael Morgan WR Brice Butler Te Blake Ayles DT Jurrell Casey De Armond Armstrad DE Malik Jackson DE Wes Horton and all the young O linemen Smith Kalil Graft Holmes the talent is there no need to panic
by Dodgermanramon on Nov 1, 2009 12:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
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