Conquest Chronicles: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
New Blog: The Nova Blog for Villanova Fans!

USC 42 Oregon St. 36...Man that was close...too close!

So, discuss the game.

I am going to jump all over for a bit throwing it out there as thins comes to my head.

This game reminded me of the Fresno St. game in 2005.

Hats off to Cansfield...he would not be deterred, he never gave up and we were damn lucky that he did not get to finish the job.

The Rodgers brothers continue to frustrate our defense. Mike Riley has found a gold mine in these two great players. Speaking of RIley he really knows how to scheme against us. He is the class of the Pac-10.

I am not sure I can say that SC was out of gas because of the ND win last week. We know OSU is good, they have shown us some grit in the past. SC was out played in some areas tonight and it should be cause for concern...especially with Oregon up next week.

We will have our hands full up in Autzen, especially if we are missing McCoy. The defense needs to get better.

Taylor Mays disappoints me with his rough play. There is no need for that. I have defended him in the past but it is hard to keep defending himwhe players helmets are coming off like coed's panties.

Barkley did not look his best. He made some poor throws that kept OSU in the game. The defense did an OK job and they were on the field a lot. They let some plays go tonight that the haven't let go in other games. I was surprised at many of the missed tackles I saw that kept some OSU drives alive. The defense can't bail us out every game, the offense needs to put a lot more points on the board.

I just don't understand why Bates and Morton didn't run the ball more when they were driving the ball midawy through the 4th. Throwing a pick there lets OSU back in the game and OSU goes down and gets a score at the 5:40 mark.

There is simply no excuse for SC to continue to air it out...Bradford was doing a fine job in there.

Thank you Allen Bradford!

Thank you D-Will!!

Penalties were fine in the first half but sloppy in the second half.

Special teams were a wash in my eyes.

Leave your comments or rants here...I will back later tomorrow for a closer look (I am on the road back to NYC in the PM)

This is our post game thread.

FIGHT ON!

0 recs  |  Comment 23 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Mays

Stop with the attempts at the kill shots and for fuck’s sake stop with the punishment plays… he could easily have been ejected for ripping Quizz Rodgers’ helmet off and maybe that would have got through to him that this kind of shit is unacceptable.

AAAAAARGH.

Otherwise, I agree about Williams and Bradford being clutch, but I think that RoJo’s diving catch for the TD might have been the best individual play of the game. That, and Bradford taking a seat in-bounds on the final drive.

by DC Trojan on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about Mays and the kill shots

the guy never goes for the safe tackle, plays terrible coverage, and seems to be constantly out of position. If he wasn’t as fast as he is he’d probably look even worse. The guy is just not a good safety right now and I wish PC would talk to him about it but I don’t think he will. One thing I don’t like is how PC lets some of his guys freelance too much on defense.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Oct 25, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts....

Am I the only one who only thought that Mays knocked Rodger’s helmet off with a strong arm tackle? I saw no visual evidence that his hand grabbed the facemask. And, I don’t believe that it is a penalty if the arm hits the helmet during a tackle, as long as it’s not a punch. It just so happens that we are so athletic and aggressive that the play looks like a penalty, even if it wasn’t. If anyone can post the language of the rule on that play, I would love to read it. I believe the refs made the right call in spite of Mike Patrick’s hissy fit. Brittney Spears anyone? Enough said about Mike Patrick.

Otherwise, could it be more evident that Mike Riley is a top 5 coach in the country? That is the best offensive performance of a system that optimizes the talent of its players that I have seen all season. UCLA should have done whatever it took to hire Riley years ago. Bama would be just as good, if not better, with Riley than Saban. Texas A&M, Nebraska, Florida St, Penn St, Colorado, Cal, ND, etc. would be smart to make a run at Riley. Two Grey Cups, 5 bowl games in 6 years on his current stint w/ OSU, 4 8 or more win seasons in 6 years, 3 9 or more win seasons, and top 3 in conference 4 out of 6 seasons.

USC needs to take a hard look at an overhaul of our offense this offseason, and Oregon St is one system that needs to be studied hard. Mike Riley is arguably the best coach in the country. Corvallis has a population of approximately 50,000 and the state of Oregon has a population of 3.8 million. The metro area of LA has 13 million. Mike Riley is very, very good.

I totally agree with Para, and it sounds like whining. But, our offense underperforms RELATIVE to the talent on that side of the ball. Sure, we make it look easy putting up 30-40 points per game, but these are bad defenses that we are playing, and we are loaded on offense. SC has the talent to score in the 50s. Our offensive system, which is uncreative on a relative basis in the college game, needs some serious tweaking.

Final comment is the defensive system. The bend but don’t break pass defense has been torched 2 weeks in a row. Granted, we played 2 great QBs in a row, but this is a major cause for concern.

Autzen looks to be a brutal game against a hot Duck squad on Halloween night. The Ducks are finally playing some defense along with that explosive offense. This will be a “somethings got to give game” with the incredible Duck running game against the USC rush defense. After watching the Quizz do his thing, I reluctantly say advantage Ducks. I anticipate an exciting game with a Trojan loss. However, with a true frosh QB, finishing 10-2 in the regular season would be an outstanding result. No BCS this season, but then Barkley begins a historic championship tear. Exciting, well-played game tonight! I must say that I respect the Beavs more than any other PacX program. No one has done more with less in the entire country over the last 6 years.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 24, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got back from the game and am a bit punchy but...

I’ve go to say I agree with your take on that Mays hit, I didn’t see him grab the guy’s grill and the refs didn’t call it despite being on top of the play. The problem for Mays is he blows people up so gruesomely as the defense’s designated garroter, it makes you think his hapless victims should come equipped with air bags. That said, all the explosions and ballhawking dont seem to be working, maybe it’s time for a new approach.

The defense looks plum tired. They gave up all the underneath stuff as usual but the YAC was out of the norm thanks to blown assignments and missed tackles in the backfield. TM?

Next week’s gameplan: Keep the ball the hell away from the Ducks offense! Grind it out on in the dirt for three quarters, and for God’s sake give the rock to Bradford >25 times. You need a gun to hunt duck.

¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa

by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 24, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit. Dang, what'd I miss?

Ok, ok- the truth? I witnessed the marriage of a once-child that I held in my arms to calm her to sleep. She’s my eldest sister’s daughter, as well as my God-daughter- and the coolest/most impressive young man I’ve met in . . . .forever is now her husband and. . . . .I’m one of the mot happiest uncles/nino’s ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW!

I’m drunk. I’m happy. And. . . .we won.

’Nuff said.

Fight On!
(taymay clocked the f_ck outta Keeze? yeah-ah. boi-ah. tell me something once again? what’s wrong with that picture? . . . . .right. i’m drunk. i get it)

"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}

by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 24, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts...

anyone else find it interesting that bradford had more carries than joe mcknight?

that curtis mcneal had more carries than cj gable? (or any carries, when gable had zero?)

seemed like barkley looked for rojo more than he looked for d-will.

(caveat — all of these observations are beer-influenced.)

osu did a fantastic job of opening up the middle of the field — they had a number of completions with a receiver one-on-one with a linebacker. again, selective memory, what with the beer, but it seems like that was open for them consistently.

bark forced a few throws, again. but can’t complain. he will be a monster…

by bort on Oct 24, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mc Hurt his Hand

which would seemingly be a perfect opportunity to use Gable as the long yardage back. The RB screen and RB in the slot used to be staples, and are good plays for maintaining possession and running the clock. I wish PC would just be honest and say that Gable is in the doghouse. Love Bradford’s surge though.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 25, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts on the game

So everyone is completely over-reacing about Mays. His tackle would have hit square in the chest or shoulder pads had Rogers not started to duck/fall back and thereby make himself lower – AFTER Mays had already lined up his hit and left the ground. It was not intentional. That being said – I think the refs blew a lot of calls on both teams. Missed calls and wrong calls. But I don’t think any of the bad calls decided the game. We definitely lucked out on some OSU penalties when it looked like they were about to march into the end zone again!

But what I don’t get is I keep hearing and seeing so much about our incredible defense and our offense needs to step up . . . even you, Paragon, pointed out that we need to put more points on the board. I think 42 is a pretty good pint total! Even if one of the touchdowns was special teams. Barkley is amazing when keeping his age and true frosh status in mind and between RoJo and Williams we have real threats down the field. Bradford is becoming an absolute beast and seems a more reliable back than McKnight. Letting OSU score 36 would be a defensive issue. We have the talent, for sure – our line is pretty amazing and our linebackers show flashes of living up to the recent years of being a Linebacker U – but they’re inconsistent in their brilliance and our secondary was what was getting brutalized tonight! Mays had some good plays and some bonehead plays, but Canfield was picking us apart. The D is what has me much more concerned about a Ducks team next week that seems to put up 35+ every game.

I currently live in Portland, OR, but hail originally from SoCal. I’ll be at that game in Autzen – hoping at the end of the night the 2 hour ride home is a happy one! Let’s hope McCoy is able to get back – no one mentioning Krista’s dirty plays tonight. 3 of them, the final resulting in McCoy’s injury! FIGHT ON!!

by KLu33 on Oct 24, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Krista seemed determined to match Mays

in the dirty hits category. Pretty bad display by two upper classmen.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Oct 25, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Formula for beating USC

Well, I see two of them:

1) let us beat ourselves with penalties and turnovers. UW check.
2) have a good run defense and a good, spread, ball control offense with a deadly short passing game. and, play us away from LA. – Oregon Ducks, yikes!

USC will have to play it’s best game next week, as it appears to me that Oregon has the perfect team to beat us straight up.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 25, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No thoughts just fact

We are not as good as I thought we were, we really are about 7 rank but at least we won even if the DEE got owned.

Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball

Wooden: ups and downs

Player: thanks you are a wizzs

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 24, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Taylor Mays Exposed

Half way through the game tonight, I made a note that I’d write how disappointed I am with TM. You guys beat me to it. He is getting hyped based on his reputation as a big-time hitter. However, if you look at the last few weeks, there have been numerous times he’s been out of position and given up plays. He definitely makes up for it based on his off-the-charts God-given talent. However, if he were more cerebral (like Kevin Ellison), he’d probably have more picks and be in better position to make the plays. It started with that bad angle at Washington and then the big its he tried to deliver on Tate last week and the Beaver receivers this week. He comes in late to try and lay the wood rather than being in position to make a play on the ball. Would I rather have someone back there? Probably not. But I am disappointed he hasn’t lived up to the hype everyone gives him.

by spn168 on Oct 24, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Mays

How many pass break-ups has he had this season? Anyone? Not very many. He goes for the big hit, takes bad angles, doesn’t wrap-up well on tackles, doesn’t play the ball, and is overrated.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 25, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Secondary Defensive Stats

I thing these stats are telling. I tried to udpate them for OSU results:

Player/Interceptions/Forced Fumbles/Pass Break-ups/Pass Deflections

Mays/1/0/0/1
Pinkard/1/3/8/7
Thomas/2/1/7/5
Harris/0/0/4/3

While he is USC’s leading tackler, Mays has 0 pass deflections and pass break-ups this season. And, it certainly is not the case that the offense is not throwing to his side.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think teams are afraid of him anymore

Everyone’s figured out that he plays for the big hit and misses quite a bit. Yeah as a player I’d be a little scared of him trying to cheaply rip my head off, but scheme wise I’d throw at his side of the field a lot.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mays should be 1/0/0/0

Yeah, it doesn’t look like teams are afraid of anyone in our secondary.

by DFWTrojan on Oct 26, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some other thoughts

1. Once again we get killed by a TE going over the middle constantly. This has been a problem as long as PC has been here, I assume partially because of the cover 2 but maybe also because of our safety play? I bet Oregon sees this and goes to Ed Dickson over the middle A LOT next week.

2. I thought we shut down Quizz early on but after he came back from his ankle injury he was just as good as last year.

3. Oregon St rocked our defense once again, we avoided the costly penalties in the red zone this year but man does Mike Reilly know how to beat us or what? If Quizz is in there instead of Stevanson on that one play they probably score a TD instead of getting a dropped completion and getting a FG.

4. Loved seeing Bradford tonight. I thought last year we could’ve won had we gone with a more power oriented run game instead of getting cute with McKnight. Honestly the game plan tonight on offense seemed to be all the things that worked last year against OSU and very few of the things that didn’t. Aside from some big drops by WR and a few freshmen mistakes by Barkley nothing really to be made about.

5. I really hope PC starts talking to Mays. The guy is killing us week in and week out. His only good play this season seems to be the Riley INT against Cal. And even then he was out of position and had to rely on his ridiculous speed to make it. He really needs to get straightened out before Oregon, between his shoddy coverage and his dirty hits he’s too much of a liability right now.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Oct 25, 2009 12:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mays is Mays, fast heavy hitter!

The thing is Mays just plays the Defense that the coaches call period, even he wasn’t responsible for all the TE catches. The F-ing MLB is the one that is assigned to pick-up players TE-FB- coming out of backfield, and he missed on it a lot. But you the only thing that matter is USC won and OSU lost, and even if USC was still undefeated the computers wouldn’t recognize them.

Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball

Wooden: ups and downs

Player: thanks you are a wizzs

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

about the computers. Texas has played no one and the computers still favor them enough to get them into the title game.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah but that is Texas and it's on EST so I feel the computers recognize that as eastern.

Funny thing is that we here in Cali are the closest to wear computers basically started, we need to get Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to come up with programs to destroy the east or maybe it’s time for civil war.

Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball

Wooden: ups and downs

Player: thanks you are a wizzs

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one more thing

VIVA THE REVOLUTION OF 2009

Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball

Wooden: ups and downs

Player: thanks you are a wizzs

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Viva SoCal!

Are Johnny, Jim and Jack fighting with you?

by DFWTrojan on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Conquest Chronicles the SB Nation blog about the USC Trojans.

Community Guidelines
Start posting about the Trojans »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Spqr_small
Paranoia Will Destroy-Ya: Has Howland Had Enough?
Big_small
Cooper's Bravado Brought Attention, Forced Team to Adjust
Spqr_small
Nikias Named USC President: Official Press Release
Jeff_mug_h2_small
SB Nation's Pac-10 Tournament preview
Jk_small
Gib Arnold May Not Be Unemployed For Long
Jeff_mug_h2_small
VOTE on SB Nation's Pac-10 all-conference awards!
4759_114276103488_551713488_1998274_134838_n_small
NCAA hammers Sidney
Pk1_001_small
Trojans to take on Ucla in Mens and Womens tennis today
Pk1_001_small
USC Hoops--It looks as if the Mustard is off the Cold-dog.
Pk1_001_small
Trojan Men and Womens open up Pac-10 play this weekend.

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Sponsors

SBNation.com Recent Stories

Sam Houston's Gilberto Clavell, right, shoots a jump hook over Stephen F. Austin's Mark Gomillia in the first half during an NCAA college basketball game at the Southland Conference Championship, Saturday, March 13, 2010. (AP Photo/Bob Levey)

Sam Houston State Wins Southland; Prevents Stephen F. Austin Repeat

Dayton's Chris Wright (33) dribbles the ball away from Xavier's Mark Lyons (10) during the second half of a quarterfinal round NCAA college basketball game at the Atlantic 10 Conference Championships, Friday, March 12, 2010, in Atlantic City, N.J. Xavier won 78-73. (AP Photo/Mel Evans)

Atlantic 10 Conference Tournament: Oh, Those Tricky Spiders

Morgan State's DeWayne Jackson (32) shoots over S.C.State's Jason Flagler, left, and Joseph Wright (13) in the first half of a NCAA college basketball game in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference men's finals on Saturday, March. 13, 2010 in Winston-Salem, N.C. (AP Photo/Rick Havner)

Morgan State Knocks Off S.C. State To Grab Second Straight MEAC Title

More from SBNation.com >


Managers

4759_114276103488_551713488_1998274_134838_n_small Paragon SC

Avatar2_small DC Trojan

Official Partner of CBS Sports