UPDATED: My Heartfelt Thanks to Dan Guerrero And The Nation. "I want to be your coach" - Rick Neuheisel
UPDATE II
The Wildcats did everything they could to help the Bruins by turning the ball over five times, but SlickBall failed to produce a single offensive touchdown.
"I want to be your coach" - Rick Neuheisel to Deitrich Riley. Uh, huh... He'll get back to you on that coach.
For now I ask, were any of the Dorrell era losing streaks this calamitous? It's now four 4-game losing streaks this decade, and with a bunch of angry Beavers looking for a victim, the Bruins will need all the claws on one paw to count their losses by this time next week. When will it end?
TUCSON, Ariz.(AP) Nick Foles threw two touchdown passes to Juron Criner , and Arizona overcame five turnovers to defeat UCLA 27-13 on Saturday and keep pace in the Pac-10 race.
Nic Grigsby and Nick Booth each ran for a touchdown for the Wildcats (5-2, 3-1 Pac-10), who remain tied for second place.
Foles had a hand in all of five of Arizona's turnovers. The Pac-10's leading passer threw three interceptions, had a fumble returned for a touchdown and botched a handoff that led to a fumble.
UCLA's defense did everything it could to keep the Bruins (3-4, 0-4) afloat. All 13 UCLA points resulted from turnovers.
UCLA free safety Rahim Moore , the national interception co-leader, picked off his sixth and seventh passes of the season, and strong safety Tony Dye returned a fumble 28 yards for a score.
Bruins coach Rick Neuheisel tried three quarterbacks - starter Kevin Prince , Kevin Craft and Richard Brehaut.
"All I know is at the end of the day if we get served up with either Walker or CHOKER, DG will be responsible for poisoning the atmosphere of UCLA football to such a extent, it may take decade or more to undo the damage" - Nestor, December 18, 2007.
Prophetic words from Dear Leader? Apparently not, because he and "The Nation" failed to see that Rick Neuheisel is who we everyone said he was. Instead of admitting some responsibility for the part "The Nation" took in running Dorrell out of town and cheerleading for Slickball you get this:
"Years of mismanagement and I would submit total neglect from the UCLA administration has our football program the state it is in right now. It is not going to get easier any time soon" - Nestor, December 25, 2009.
Perhaps it also has something to do with years of listening to the rantings and new media "oppo" campaigns of a bunch of ranting lunatics (no need to name names) led by an honest to goodness political hack.
And finally, Nestor issues a warning:
Neuheisel and his coaches need to bring home 6 wins. If he tries to spin anything less than that as a successful season, we are going to LOL at him or anyone else who tries to spin it as success. So anything less than 6 wins this season will the first strike against him in his UCLA career.
If he can't win 7 games next year (and beat Southern Cal) and then follow it up with a title run (a legit one not the BS 10 win season from Dorrell's third year in Westwood) in his fourth season, he will get full fledged Dorrell treatment here on BN. In fact we will subject him to that if it becomes clear (number wise) that he is not getting it done.
Wow, so the old knives are being sharpened already? So much for all the talk of loyalty among Bruins. Members of "The Nation", let the finger pointing begin; but don't forget to point a big fat one at yourselves.
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UPDATE I
After an embarrassing shellacking at the hands of the Cal Bears, Kurt Streeter brings up an "inconvenient truth" regarding Rick Neuheisel.
Look, even in the darkest days of Karl Dorrell, they never had a season-and-a-half stretch this bad. Just two years ago, his job in grave danger, his team injured and undermanned, Dorrell's Bruins played a Cal team as dispirited as the one that just tumbled into the Rose Bowl.
Back then, Cal was coming off a heartbreaking loss that had cost it the national No. 1 ranking. Under Dorrell, the Bruins won, just as they did that year against Oregon. Under Dorrell, true enough, there were some disturbingly ugly games, he was hardly Bill Walsh after all. But there were also a fair share of months ranked in the nation's top 15. And nothing as bad as last season in Provo, 59-0. Genius, let's just say, has its limits.
Sweet revenge for Kurt, who was pilloried without mercy by The Nation in November 2007 for having the temerity to say this:
KURT STREETER - Keep Karl! And keep me postedHe's too staid, too indecisive, in over his head and doesn't win enough.
So goes the tired, old argument against UCLA football Coach Karl Dorrell. An army of you critics wants him gone. Bring in someone else, you say, and the Bruins will morph into a football juggernaut.
Karl Dorrell is right for the Bruins. UCLA should not stoop to the maddening crowd and cut him loose.
Someone should square off against the lot of you who are trying to drive a good coach out of town. You have your websites and blogs. So I'm starting mine. I'm calling it dontdumpdorrell.blogspot.com, and it's on the web now. It is a forum for discussion about the embattled coach.
I'll post this column and respond to your reasoned arguments until we know his fate.
I hope my final post will be hearty congratulations to UCLA administrators for finding their coach of the future -- the guy they have right now.
Here is why Karl Dorrell should stay. He has the kind of smart, honorable character that more coaches need.
And he has done exactly what he was asked to do.
UCLA brought him in before the 2003 season and told him to refashion an unruly, undisciplined team in his own straight-arrow image. Under Dorrell's watch, here is what you no longer see: Bruins in the headlines for run-ins with the law.
He was also told to win. His record could be better, but he's done plenty to keep his job. Two years ago, his team was 10-2, and he shared Pacific 10 Conference coach-of-the-year honors with Pete Carroll. Over time, Dorrell's teams have won nearly six of every 10 games -- pretty much the standard Bruins clip.
This year, as the Bruins' sideline has come to resemble a hospital emergency room, Dorrell's team has five wins and five losses. With two of the toughest games of the year still to play, you critics have him firmly in your cross hairs.
The reaction to Streeter's column was immediate, breathlessly sanctimonious and highly political, with Dear Leader (in a fit of extreme rage) personally accusing Dorrell of "playing the race card." The outrage was so loud, wild, and potentially dangerous that it prompted Streeter to follow up with this headline:
KURT STREETER - Race issue can't, and shouldn't, be avoided'Mr. Streeter, you are a vile demagogue and a self-pitying bigot."
It was one of the tamer notes to grace my inbox. Anonymous, of course, it arrived after I wrote two weeks ago that Karl Dorrell should keep his job. I added that, for some, race plays a part in their angry criticism of the UCLA football coach.
Using rhetoric often too ugly to print, scores said that I coddled Dorrell and that I "played the race card" because he is black -- and so am I. Scores more said that I should be embarrassed, ashamed, silenced or fired for having the nerve to mention race.
Dorrell is one of only six African Americans among the 119 head coaches in major college football.
Since Nov. 18, when my column was published, the hyperventilating has not stopped, mostly because of six paragraphs I wrote about race at the end of my column. Here is the conclusion I draw: Too many of us are far too scared of the very mention of race. It jangles the nerves and destroys common sense.
Not surprisingly, the vile accusations did their damage at a very nervous Morgan Center, forcing Karl Dorrell to issue the following statement:
Nov. 21, 2007
"This statement is to clarify issues arising from an article written about me this past Sunday. During the interview, the reporter asked a question regarding the issue of race in today's college coaching environment. I told the reporter that there still exist issues in this profession, with qualified minority candidates not receiving college head coaching opportunities. In college football, six out of 119 Division IA head coaches are African American. This was the context in which the subject was addressed during the interview.
"My comments regarding race issues were expressed in a general sense, and clearly not as an indictment about my experience at UCLA. I have seen a lot of issues in this profession over the last 20 years, but I have not had to deal with any such concerns during my time at UCLA."
Today there's a couple of guys, one in Miami and another in Las Cruces, that realize how good life can be when you don't work at UCLA.
Finally, Streeter indulged in a little irony today when he said:
I'm on record saying Neuheisel -- any major college football coach, really -- should start off with an eight-year contract and be allowed to stick it through; baring an unparalleled meltdown or serious trouble with the NCAA police.
Yeap, let it all hang out Kurt. Six more years of Slick Rick? Revenge is oh so sweet.
On deck: Dan Guerrero; and what's that ticking sound?
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Bumped...P
It's mid-October and we are quickly learning the talent and tendencies of our Pac-10 and BCS competitors. After watching the Oregon-UCLA game yesterday, I would like to give my heartfelt thanks to Dan Guerrero on behalf of all Trojans, Ducks, Trees and the rest of the Pac-10, for paying homage to the BruinsNation and hiring Slick Rick Neuheisel instead of DeWayne Walker as head football coach.
The "dream team" of Walker and Chow was given a lot of consideration by DG, and supported enthusiastically by a legion of smart Bruins. Unfortunately for the Bruins the concept ran into a wall of opposition and ridicule from the BN; so much so that it received the derisive moniker "CHOKER" from the implacable BNer in chief, in a post with the ominous title: "CHOKER or Walker = No 3rd Chance For Dan Guerrero"
Again right now I am not sure who to believe. But it is hard not to miss the clamor for CHOKER or Walker on other boards. Yes, the morons over at message boards, you know the tools who have been supporting Dorrell all these years, the same cheese eating surrender monkeys who were celebrating a loss against Southern Cal, as a "true moral victory,"a are already going gaga over either CHOKER or Walker.
and here
All I know is at the end of the day if we get served up with either Walker or CHOKER, DG will be responsible for poisoning the atmosphere of UCLA football to such a extent, it may take decade or more to undo the damage.
with the full support of his clamoring minions.
Anyhow, my point in all this is to specifically point out who the Dorrellistas and Choker supporters are. Their support for Walker and Walker/Chow is as ardent as their support for Dorrell was. Go to their site now and count up all the posts that praise Walker. It's disgusting. My fellow Bruins, THIS is why we must continue the good fight that Nestor has implored us to fight. This is why we must not let up.
Wish granted BN, now the Bruins are more dysfunctional than Madden on Windows 95.
Perhaps I needn't have fearded, but at the time "CHOKER" frightened the hell out of me, and I wasn't alone. DeWayne Walker is a Trojan, a Pete Carroll disciple and friend. Few people can recruit like Walker, and he has uncanny ability to put steel in the backs of young men while filling their hears with pride. The scariest part is that it almost happened, it would have been a nightmare, but lucky for us a higher power intervened.
When Slick took over he tried to retain Walker as DC, but DW saw through the shtick. Disrespected and reading the writing on the wall, DW moved to greener pastures at NMSU; he has the Aggies (3-3) competing for the first time in ages. It was a good move for him. In the meantime at UCLA, Norm Chow is wasting away under Slick's thumb, primed to be the fall-guy. You can see that train coming a mile away.
The relentless hue and cry at the end of the Dorrell era finally got to Dan Guerrero and we all know what happened. You could say now that the BN should have been more careful about what they campaigned for. On January 15th, 2008, SMQ gave us this take on the BN's tactics
One of the really entertaining things about UCLA partisans Bruins Nation is how staunchly on-message it is at all times. It’s apparent some of its founders have political backgrounds. When the message was "Fire Karl Dorrell," no opportunity was missed, no sentence was written that might weaken the campaign. Not even after a 26-point win. Not even if it was November and L.A. could still potentially make the Rose Bowl. Nothing could stand in BN’s path.
Now that the message is "Head Coach Richard Neuheisel Is the Best CEO in America," the tone of the rhetoric has changed completely –– it’s all positive, all the time –– but the commitment to the message is as staunch as ever.
Two days later, TKK at Dawg Sports made the following prophetic comment
The Bruin faithful are happy with the hire, so I am happy for them. At any other N.C.A.A. institution, the unmistakable downward trajectory of Coach Neuheisel's teams would cause me to view this as an unqualifiedly bad hire, but, at U.C.L.A., bringing home the prodigal son who maybe, just maybe, has learned his lesson could be the shrewdest move the Bruins have made in a generation, making the Battle of Los Angeles instantly more competitive and undeniably more intriguing. My gut instinct is that Coach Neuheisel will put the "ruin" back in "Bruin," but what I lack in faith I make up for in hope where the new U.C.L.A. skipper is concerned.
In June of last year SMQ chimed in again sparking yet another firestorm. The BN's response through all of this is that the skeptics are tools, haters, crazy, bitter and lazy. So what else is new?
Ironically, it is quite possible that the most prophetic comment came from Nestor himself, when he said: "DG will be responsible for poisoning the atmosphere of UCLA football to such a extent, it may take decade or more to undo the damage." If he's right, I hope the Bruins are ready to hold out until 2019. Will the BN bare his share of the responsibility? Will DG get that third chance?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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And let the finger pointing begin...
Interesting quotes from Chow here
by Paragon SC on Oct 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Know what’s really funny. Through most of the threads Silverlake Bruin stands as a voice of reason, if that’s possible.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
Fanpost of the year, Loco! Well played. Are you enacting a vendetta against someone, or just feeling inspired? Did Nestor ban you while insulting your mother? This is excellent. While a bye week and a conservative, developing offense have me a bit sober on Trojan football this week, the fU¢LA keystone cops across town provide all of the bye week entertainment that I need. Fumble on, fU¢LA clowns!
by DFWTrojan on Oct 11, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters but
I think a lot of the more reasonable Bruins looked at hiring Walker with a certain degree of skepticism based not on what he had done, but on what he had not done. Additionally, he had the misfortune of being a candidate at the end of the Dorrell fiasco. Accordingly, not many of the faithfu were too eager too turn the program over to a guy with no record other than turning UCLA’s defense into a top 30 defense, a stellar accomplishment in its own right but not one that could give anyone great insight into his acumen as a head coach.
I think most sane Bruins (I think I qualify) wanted someone who had a track record of success. I wanted Mike Leach; others thought Chris Petersen, others liked the coach of Cincinnati. Neuheisel was not the favored pick, he had a decent track record but the results showed no great record of achievement in the latter years of his tenure at CU and UW. Since UCLA AFAIK made no strong play for the above-mentioned possibilities, Neu was it. He does have some strong points, and I thought maybe he had matured and might have learened from his mistakes. We do know he’s not a BAD coach-which Dorrell was-the question really is, “How GOOD a coach is Neuheisel?” We are certainly going to find out.
For the record, I don’t think we’re dysfunctional-but we are simply awful on offense. Given Neuheisel’s record of grooming QB and being a solid OC, plus Chow’s acknowledged talent and track record, I am inclined still to believe this craptastic offense we are rolling out there is struggling due primarily because of personnel problems (lack of experience and skill) and secondarily, because the coaching has been questionable in spots.
One thing, though: your tak on BN regarding Walker is spot-on. Many is the war I fought with that boob Nestor and Class of 66 over Walker’s ability-they seemed to think that UCLA should have shut down all opponents all the time with all the “talent” that UCLA had on defense. Look how many kids from Walker’s UCLA defenses are gracing FL rosters now-maybe 2-3, tops, and none starters IIRC. The man can coach defense. Yet there was Nestor screaming about Walker not going for 2 after a UCLA TD in the FIRST HALF against BYU when Dorrell was fired and Walker allowed to coach in our pathetic bowl game that we of course lost. That shold tell you all you need to know about Nestor’s knowledge base.
by ucladj89 on Oct 11, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you are saying 89 but still feel Walker would have been a better choice
The Fact that Neuheisel yells at his QB on national TV, shows two things. He really doesn’t know how to communicate with his players and he doesn’t realize when and where to reprimand. I will say this if he doesn’t learn how to do it soon he will not have good QBs coming in. If he wants lessons on this I would be glad to help him out for a fee of course.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 11, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight you can make a case for Walker
but I can’t blame Guerrero for passing on him. There were too many unknowns. He had gambled on Dorrell and lost, so he needed a coach with a proven record on the field. He got the best coach he could afford, and that was Neuheisel.
by frak on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I would blame Guerrero
I don’t think he took the best coach he could afford. Yes he couldn’t afford much, but to think Rick was the best option means you think Rick was a good option. Yes Rick did have some success, but they he also left CU and UW in worse shape than when he started. Anyone who watches a UCLA game under Rick has to question his gameday decisions. Every coach makes mistakes during a game, but Rick seem to make more than most. And where did people get the idea Rick was good at grooming QBs? It’s the same with Chow and Weis, they get way more credit than they deserve. Norm was the QB coach at USC for only one season. What he did great was teach the QB to run his system, not how to play the position. Norm once infamously told Matt Leinart not to worry about his footwork. If he threw the ball when he was suppose to, his footwork wouldn’t matter. Rick is a good front man and recruiter, after that it’s all questionable.
by ev on Oct 12, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thank him! And the Nation!
I’ve mentioned previously that I’ve had the pleasure of meeting DG twice. He always makes a wonderful impression, and you can’t help but like him and wish him success. Unfortunately Danny is too much of a politician, and on this matter he caved to Slick’s backers, especially those loud and wacky BNers -with their “new-media” assault on the man they liked to call DyNoMyte -political oppo at its finest.
Here is what DW is doing for NMSU according to NM blogger Teddy Finberg:
http://crucessports.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-can-you-say.html
What can you say?
What can you say about the job DeWayne Walker and the Aggies are doing this season?
I don’t want to make it out like this team is 6-0. But at 3-3, 1-1 in conference? A win over its in-state rival, when the Aggies were 10-point underdogs? A win over Utah State, when NMSU was 11-point dogs? A revitalized kicking game? A defense that’s playing flat-out inspired football? You gotta be impressed by the team’s efforts.
Does anyone remember how bad the defense was in recent years? Does anyone know what this year’s Utah State team would have done to last year’s defense? They honestly would have rushed for 350 yards, thrown for 250 and rolled up 35 points. USU ran for 258 this year, but it sure didn’t feel like it. The UtAgs had to earn everything and, really, Diondre Borel was taken out of the game, for the most part. He only threw for 156 and ran for 26. The team stood him up on third down and forced the late USU punt that led to the Marcus Anderson return. The defense gets my game ball. They kept NMSU in the game.
Add a liberated Norm Chow and a lot of good players to this cocktail and you can imagine what they’d have across town
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything
its good that Walker went to the Aggies where the expectations were not that high. This may lead to an opportunity to be the head coach at a better program than ucla in the future. If he took the bruin job. New Mexico might be the right move for Walker in the long term.
by frak on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree!
If he keeps this up I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the Pac-10 in a couple of years. Tedford may be on his last legs and Harbaugh could jump to the NFL at any time. The good news is he’ll never be a Bruin.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only do so much
on offense without a QB. Norm Chow had a good O-line, a great running game, and Heisman calibur QBs. ucla doesn’t have any of that. Its not the coaching, its the talent. Now Neuheisel and Chow may not be the best fit personality-wise, and that’s Neuheisel’s problem to deal with. The truth about Chow is that he was as much of the problem at USC as Carroll was when they split. He has a big ego, and he doesn’t like it when head coaches question him. Carroll was defense, and Chow was offense at the beginning, and that worked out great. Neuheisel is an offensive expert, so I think that will lead to some conflicts of opinion.
by frak on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes as I said the other week Chow isn't a QB guru!
It is their private coaches that make them what they are, chow is just an offense director. But the thing is anybody can draw plays in the sand, it is just do you have the players to get them done.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOrry socal
gotta disagree. Chow makes good QBs great QBs. He has a proven track record. The problem he has at ucla is that he doesn’t have a good QB to start with. I think he is a master of getting players to play up to their potential. There just isn’t a whole lot of potential over there in Westwood.
by frak on Oct 12, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry back I can do the same job and probably better!
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 13, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludicrous
Chow’s record speaks for itself…the guy coached McMahon, Detmer, Bosco, Steve Young, among others, at BYU; Palmer and Leinart at USC and Philip Rivers at NC State. Considering that several of his QB’s at BYU are among the NCAA all-time passing leaders, and the results of working with Pakmer, Rivers and Leinart are pretty self-evident…otherwise, you’d have to say that he’s a phenomenally lucky guy to get so many guys with great individual position/private coaches, even those with no particularly great physical abilities like Detmer and Bosco.
As for Neuheisel, he has worked with Aikman, Kordell Stewart, Marques Tuiasosopo in the college ranks, among others. Obviously it’s not as strong a pedigree as Chow, but it’s pretty solid, and Aikman has given him a lot of credit for his development.
As I said, Neuheisel is not a bad coach. His prior stints have not ended well, but he did take a Washington team that had not played very well for Jim Lambright in prior years and got them to 11-1. He also had some pretty good years at Colorado-and I am not one of those guys who buys the argument that if you have great talent you will win. You need talent to win, but there are plenty of teams with a lot of talent that just suck-see UCLA 2001 for just one example. The question is simply, “How good a coach is Rick Neuheisel?” The uestion really hasn’t been answered in his earlier coaching gigs because he left after fairly short stints and I think even now we don’t really know how he will pan out. So far, I don’t see him as great coach, but he seems pretty good considering the personnel he inherited and what he has to work with this year. But only time will tell.
by ucladj89 on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what to make of Neuheisel
He takes other coaches recruits and does well in the 1st couple of seasons, then he starts to decline. What can he do with his own personnel? It remains to be seen. He is good at the PR game. He is much better at that then Dorrell was, but where will he lead the bruins in the long term, it remains to be seen.
by frak on Oct 12, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys can have all the Chow you want at the buffet line.
Don’t care, don’t respect, hope he move to Iraq.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no doubt D Walker is a great technical coach
but do you really think he could successfully recruit at a top level? Do you think he could have brought the attention to the UCLA program that Neuheisal has? Do you think he could have flipped Carroll and Pressley from SC commits to UCLA commits?
Highly doubtful.
Neuheisal is bringing in the talent. Unlike Pete Carroll, he didn’t inherit Carson Palmer and 15 other future NFL players when he got to UCLA. He inherited a terrible roster on offense, and it will take him more time to turn it around. Carroll has obviously done a great job, but he had a much more talented squad, and hence was able to turn it around in 2 years. I think it takes Neuheisal 3 years.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 17, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Madam, sometimes you seem almost reasonable
and as a true baby blue I can hardly blame you for your optimism. Unfortunately you’re dead wrong on this. You’ll rue the day that huckster elbowed his way back into your program, and you will shed tears as you remember he was your last choice. Remember who you really wanted, guys named Peterson, Leach, Mooch, and you ended up with Slick Rick. Thank you!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 17, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Women don't play FB for a reason and they shouldn't talk about it either, go get on the Tele with your friends.
Haven’t you got a salon appointment to get to and quit doing your make-up while driving, you just ran over the Weasel.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 17, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay classy!
You would think for a program with so much success in football the last few years you guys would be a little more gracious and positive instead of demeaning and negative. Some posts here are full of hatred and mean-spiritedness. Most people I know that actually graduated from USC are pretty decent folks. I am assuming most of the classless posts are from people who weren’t educated at USC.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 17, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? "hatred and mean-spiritedness"
Honestly, this blog is defined by our crew of humble, reasonable, objective SC fans. I think we take pride in the fact that we invite reasonable dialog and are the antithesis of BN. All due to Para’s outstanding stewardship.
I too think the Bruin’s brought in a double-edged sword in New-weasel, and think that D Walker would have been the best choice. I must say that I admire and respect the way that RN has added spice and intrigue to the rivalry. Similar approach as Lane Kiffin at Tennessee. But, eventually, you have to back it up or you are exposed as a fraud. I still think the Bruins are headed in the right direction though. Brehault will be a good one…in 2011.
by DFWTrojan on Oct 17, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Bronze Lake was just having fun and I still think you guys let one go in Walker.
Your Deeeeeeeee was recruited by him and the Weasel Heli is just BS and most Cali players are not impressed. Now get off your Cell Phone because your last name isn’t Shriver, darn it you just ran over Norms Pig.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 17, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about classless how about a response, I know your still driving and doing your make-up Tammy Fey
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 17, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I am assuming most of the classless posts are from people who weren’t educated at USC.
Guess that means me…seeing I did not graduate from college let alone USC.
DFW is spot on…We have always fostered an atmosphere of welcoming any and all comers regardless of the team they root for. I haven’t seen that too much on that other blog.
I think we are pretty gracious here for as successful as we have been. But i would agree SC’s dominance makes it hard for many fans to be gracious in victory.
We will take our shots at our rivals just like I seen you take at us over on BN…
Anyway, I think we do OK here. My guys are insanely partisan and we like to talk some shit… I guess that is one of the benefits of having a relatively small readership and I like it that way.
by Paragon SC on Oct 17, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silverlake
When I made 1 comment on BN, you unleashed a whole tirade of garbage in my direction. I find it amusing that you would admonish anyone to stay classy.
by frak on Oct 17, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should post a link to it if you can find it...
by Paragon SC on Oct 17, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no posting over there.
I gave up early in the year. They don’t want to talk, or hear any debate. Its their way or the highway. Silver is one of those people. I don’t mind if she wants to post over here, as long as she doesn’t give us any hypocritical advice on manners since she clearly has no intention of returning the same courtesy.
by frak on Oct 17, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inherit all you want...
you still have to coach them up. I am not seeing that…yet.
RN inherited a very nice defense but they have crapped the bed in some games…
by Paragon SC on Oct 17, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
Randall Carroll was told that USC wanted him to play cornerback. He didn’t want to switch. Morrell Pressley would have been 4th string in our TE field. Neuheisel didn’t flip them, they just went to where they could play. Don’t kid yourself. If they had a chance to see the field as a freshman at USC, they would have committed to USC.
by frak on Oct 17, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly
Pete Carroll was SCs fourth choice. So, Im not sure history bears out your argument that first choice is best.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 17, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, meant to respond to Locoweed's post directly above
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 17, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, that's Scott Wolf's version of what happened
Mike Garrett made an offer to Dennis Erickson, but he said no to 5 years and $7.2 million. The other candidates were Mike Riley, Pete Carroll, Sonny Lubick and Ron Turner.
Having worked at USC previously, Riley was the favorite of the LA press, especially with Scott Wolf. Unfortunately, Riley thought he had an edge and started acting like a rat by playing suitors Alabama, USC and the Chargers for a better deal.
In the end, Pete Carroll out-competed the other guys for the job; impressing Mike Garrett, Steven Sample, Heritage Hall and the Football Team.
Wolf and Kevin Modesti of the Daily News didn’t like PC much at all. Modesti went so far as to call him “uncool” and “crazy”, and Wolf said PC was being interviewed only as a “courtesy” and that he was “considered nothing more than a long shot.”
Modesti:
He became the victim of a version of Catch-22 that we’ll call Catch-20, because that was Garrett’s number at USC.Here’s some links:
Under Catch-20, anybody who really wants the pressures and frustrations of coaching the USC football team is too crazy to be trusted with the job. Somebody like Carroll, who threw himself into the campaign like Petros Papadakis diving over the line, looks especially insane.
There was something downright uncool about his pursuit of the job. There he was, telling USC players he was ``negotiating,‘’ even as Garrett was talking to Riley and Colorado State’s Sonny Lubick. Meanwhile, Lubick and Riley were playing it cool, saying they hadn’t been interviewed when in fact they had.
Maybe that’s just Carroll’s nature – a wide-eyed guy who hopes his rah-rah style will work better with college kids than it worked with NFL. It can’t work much worse. After turning in his defensive coordinator’s headphones Head-mounted speakers. Headphones have a strap that rests on top of the head, positioning a pair of speakers over both ears. For listening to music or monitoring live performances and audio tracks, both left and right channels are required. to become head coach of the Jets (1994) and Patriots (1997-99), he helped to take both teams to last place and was fired. At least he can’t take the Trojans to last place, since they’re already there.
Wolf: APPARENT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST RILEY DENIES ANY CONTACT WITH USC; CHARGERS PROTEST.
Wolf: SEARCH WINDING DOWN USC SHOULD FOCUS ON A COACH WITHIN 48 HOURS.
You’ve visited the Wolfbag enough times to know what a colossal douche he is.
Modesti: THE REAL RINGLEADER IN TROJANS CIRCUS.
Back then I used to believe “journalists” like Wolf, Modesti, Plascke, etc. Turns out they’re nothing but a bunch of clowns. On this fact, Trojans and Bruins can agree.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 18, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neuheisel
can’t be any worse than Dorrell. Right now I don’t think he has the horses to compete. Dorrell never did this bad, but Neuheisel doesn’t make the same mistakes that Dorrell does. Dorrell was a big fan of punting on his opponents 35 yard line for 15 yards of field position. If you give Chow and Neuheisel a decent O-line, and a good/great QB, and they will compete with anyone in the Pac-10. The big problem is the QB postition has had 1 year of consistancy in 10 years. The bruins have only had 1 season where their QB has started every game.
by frak on Oct 18, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the standard BN line
and I it’s bogus. How do you think the recruiting would have gone under Head Coach DeWayne Walker, Offensive Guru Norm Chow and Defensive Coordinator Ken Norton Jr? Under Walker and Norton, do you think the Bruin defense would in any way resemble the wretched train wreck it is now? Yeah, there would still be QB growth issues but Chow would have been free to run the show; without Weasel’s meddling they would be improving instead of regressing.
It’s time to face the truth, Weasel is who we knew he was, and those three guys would have made UCLA a SPECIAL place. It didn’t happen. GOOD.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you have noticed like me that the Defense isn't what it use to be now that Walker is gone.
I sure bet Weasel would rather have spent the money on Walker than Chow, but I don’t think he had a choice in the matter. Hey have you read where the BNers are blaming a freshman DB for their DEE problems, they are simply just to small in D back field. Also they are getting up in arms about Weasel saying they are to Dumb to understand FB, love it only at HOPE FLOATS Uni.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 19, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their defense is spending too much time on the field and they’re deteriorating. The secondary sucks, but they could improve some next season if they move Randall Carroll to DB where he belongs.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
If they did hire Walker, that would pretty much be the same template that worked for USC. Defensive minded head coach with a brilliant offensive mind scoring your points.
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would Chow have joined DW? Like him or not, RN is a charasmatic, convincing guy. If I recall, Chow was slightly miffed over being passed on, and it took a great deal of convincing to get Chow on-board. I don’t know of DW would have been able to get NC.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chow likes money
If the price was right, sure he would go with Walker.
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and. . . .
. . . wasn’t it Coach Walker who convinced Coach Chow, the fit would be right. The Holy Triumvirate, rides again!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 19, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Poet In Residence
knows…
They also could have wooed Ken Norton.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was CRN. At that point, money was almost moot thanks to the TItans payoff.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Ted Miller:
" Both Chow and UCLA defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker, friends for more than two decades, were candidates for the Bruins’ head coaching job that went to Neuheisel. Now they’re on his staff.
Asked about the pair being considered for the head coaching post, Neuheisel said, “I think it speaks volumes about the two guys. DeWayne and I have forged a relationship of mutual respect, and he got involved with talking to Norm.”
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 19, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche. I forget that their times intersected at USC, no?
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where to begin...
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, this is the second year of a rebuilding project, and UCLA’s defense was ripped to shreds by one of the best RBs in the nation. While I do agree that our defense would be much better in the hands of Walker, he decided that he wanted a head coaching position, and more power to him. From what I understand he’s doing quite a good job with NMSU.
That being said:
1) The WAC conference is a much different ballgame from the PAC-10. It’s basically Boise State, and everyone else. And it is a very small sample size.
2) And I’m really tired of stressing this, a patchwork O-Line, and a RS Freshman starting QB, not to mention a low quality of talent at the wide receiver position equals an offense that is inevitably going to struggle. ESPECIALLY when said RS Freshman starting QB is just 2 weeks removed from having his jaw wired shut.
3) Football coaches, and especially college football coaches are primarily given about 3-4 years to yield any kind of positive results.
To sum it up, this entire post absolutely reeks of “Dewey Defeats Truman”. “Revenge is sweet”? What kind of revenge are you talking about exactly?
by DannyJay01 on Oct 19, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its a bit presumptuous too
Its too early to call out Neuheisel, but next year, he will have to show something. I don’t think that 7 wins will cut it in Westwood in 2010. The big question isn’t whether Guerrero made a bad call or not. The question is whether or not you feel that Walker would be further along in the rebuilding process than Neuheisel at this point in time. Defensively and offensively the bruins seem to have gone backwards a bit. The biggest positive that I see is that a lot of young players are getting game experience.
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more...
If RN isn’t at least contending for a PAC-10 title next year then that’s where you start questioning the direction he’s taking this program.
Without a doubt losing Walker was a huge blow to our program. He was a great recruiter, and had a really good defensive mind. I for one would have loved to see him get a shot at the HC gig as I think he really could have handled the job. I seriously didn’t get the uproar that BN staged when he was mentioned as a finalist, nor the sudden praise that RN received. It further baffled me when they stated that they would do nothing but criticize Walker if he won the HC job. I feel as though a loyal fan base will hope for the best results no matter who is at the helm.
I’ve somewhat found myself comparing this team with the ‘05 Dodgers, a team with a lot of young talent who is getting their feet wet at this level, which is why I’m not so much hitting the panic button on the RN era.
by DannyJay01 on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The uproar about Walker
had more to do with the unknown than his ability to be a head coach. I think everyone was afraid of another Dorrell.
Things are going to be harder for ucla to turn things around than it was for Pete and USC. USC is a monster program in ucla’s back yard. When Pete took over USC, ucla was on the decline, and the time was right for a shift in momentum. Neuheisel will have to search for those diamonds in the rough out there. He needs those 3 star recruits who play far above their projected ability. He has to identify the underrated guys, and convince them to come to Westwood. He is not going to get anyone that USC wants bad.
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all...
Neuheisel came up pretty big with Pressley, and Carroll, and he definitely recruits way better than Dorrell did. Unfortunately Pete Carroll does have a stranglehold on the inner city which is where a lot of talent lies.
Right now it looks like the sales pitch has to be the progress that UCLA is making, which is why it’s pretty important to at least become bowl eligible this season. I still really like our chances next season though. With Prince having a full year (somewhat) under his belt. An improved O-Line, and hopefully some speed, at the WR position.
by DannyJay01 on Oct 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He came up "big" because they wanted immediate playing time
Hows that working out?
Carroll would be better off as a DB and he knows it, PC tried to convince him of it. Pressley is NOT TE material and from what little I have seen he has a bit of stone hands disease when the ball is laid right in there.
These guys would have seen little action for two years with SC’s depth…I am cool with the fact that wanted early playing time but so far they haven’t seen much. PC kind of has a track record when it comes to developing NFL type talent so they took the easy route…RN on the other hand, not so much.
They were better off going to ucla for their individual wants and they would have disrupted the team dynamics at SC. I have no hard feelings, but you reap what you sew…
by Paragon SC on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all true freshmen are great from the outset
Pressley has OK hands but he, and Carroll really set themselves back with that suspension.
Carroll has dropped a couple of gimme passes, but again, they’re both true Freshmen and have a lot of upside. It’s really pointless to argue about UCLA’s current overall talent because at this point it’s not debatable. We’d be better off having this conversation again at this point next season.
OT: Why do I enjoy debating on this site so much more than BN?
by DannyJay01 on Oct 19, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
answer to your OT question: because you can get a response devoid of anger. You know you’re going to find the biggest cynics of UCLA here. And they’re reasonable ones. Makes for a good conversation.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DING DING DING!!
we have a winner!
by Paragon SC on Oct 19, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no debating at BN. It is a fascist dictatorship and most of us have been banned.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed...
They’ll talk down to you for about 3 posts, and even if you present a civil, valid argument you’ll get banned for presenting a different point of view.
by DannyJay01 on Oct 19, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DING DING DING!!
and we have another winner!
by Paragon SC on Oct 19, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winners get.....
signed 8’’ x 11’’ glossys of OJ Simpson! Send Para your address please.
by DFWTrojan on Oct 19, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't?
You did!
And God bless you son! Made my night!
Great thread Loco! You are on a roll Mister.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 19, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever it takes to get rid of the backlog – those things are taking up space.
Suitable for dart boards, urinals, etc.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny
The truth about Carroll and Pressley is that they wouldn’t have seen the field at least for a couple of seasons. Carroll was told by coaches at USC that his best chance of playing in the NFL would be at corner. This is not what Carroll wanted to hear, so he chose a school where he could play receiver, and see the field a lot sooner.
Pressley would have been behind McCoy, Ayles, and Ellison. There would be little chance of him taking a job over Ayles because of the size difference, and the fact that Ayles is a total stud TE.
USC wasn’t too concerned about losing these 2 guys. Burfict and T’eo now, we wanted those guys bad.
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Streeter's point: For all the outrageous behavior two years ago
you are no better off than you were with Dorrell.
For all his bluster, Neuheisel’s big recruiting gets were Carroll and Presley -big whooptie you can have ‘em! That said, I can’t imagine your offense not improving next year, but you may as well forget about this season and throw Brehaut in there because he’s your future.
On Defense, Bullough is a gigantic downgrade. He’s got experienced guys like Brian Price “confused” and the erosion is accelerating. To make matters worse your defense is going to lose half its impact players next year, while Bullough will still be there. So if you think don’t like your “D” now well…
Streeter says Neuheisel deserves 6 more years, in an obvious reference to what happened to his friend Dorrell. Perhaps it’s not revenge but he’s taking this opportunity to drag out some corpses.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...if RN wants to be like PC get Pressley and Carroll in the game...
Brehaut too…I mean he does have the best OC of all time and the rumor was he did think that Brehaut was better than Barkley so why not take a shot…
by Paragon SC on Oct 19, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
What was the point of hyping those guys if they weren’t going them?
The Bruins are done for this season, so they may as well throw the rookies in the fire so they can learn. Chow knows that Brehaut is the real deal, and Carroll is a DB and maybe Presley could make a good safety; but Weasel talked too much and created huge expectations so he feels the pressure to win NOW, so it’s easier to play it safe with the older guys. His life would have been easier if he had shut up and let his teams do the talking.
Bottom line is that with the defense regressing, next year is going to be U-G-L-Y.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is Chow's second season without Pete Carroll
and he still hasn’t won a national title. Proving beyond all doubt that Pete Carroll was the reason why Chow won with the Trojans. Laf
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is USC has maybe 5 B price types and they have the agility to move sideways, not just forward .
Our lineman are more of the Deacon Jones type, Price has to lose about 37lbs if he wants to play more than % years NFL.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 19, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best get was....
Rahim Moore, right Bru-skis? That kid’s a player.
by DFWTrojan on Oct 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he brought a lot of this on himself...
Too much Bravado…
And now I am reading some “Lavinesque” type comments. This is how it starts.
The team is not progressing like many of us had hoped and the defense is actually regressing. I am not too sure on his coaching hires this season. He lost a lot when he lost Walker.
He has got “Blue Thunder” to help him with recruiting and that is pissing off some of the local high schools…again too much Bravado and exposure. Say what you want about PC and some of the things he has done in the past, he was pretty quiet those first couple of years. he just focused on the task at hand.
Right out of the box RN mad e it about being like SC…those are lofty goals when the cupboard was supposedly bare.
Even the guys on the on the other blog are seeing it and some of them have set the goals for 2011.
Like it or not SC fans need ucla to get better for the conference and the SoS but I really think RN is etting himself up for failure.
JMHO…
by Paragon SC on Oct 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps.
However, part of the problem RN was facing is different from what PC was facing. The USC football program has long been the “gem” of the Pac-10. We’ve had our good years, but not enough to vault us into the upper eschelon of football programs.
The bravado was questionable, but one could argue necessary. We were at a point where we needed some excitement injected into our program. Fanning the flames of anger against SC was one method. Showing us that our coaches were “relentlessly optimistic” and showing a little emotion on the sideline demonstrates to us that the coach cares. Dorrell’s lack of emotion made us wonder if he cared. And if he didn’t, should we?
This started out as a discussion as to whether Walker would have been the correct successor to Dorrell instead of Neuheisal. I don’t know the correct answer here. Walker had some great moments as our DC. But he’s also had some letdown moments. The consistent performance wasn’t there. I’ll let y’all debate RN’s history, but there was clearly a “banking on the potential” and belief that he’s grown a great deal. Time will tell if that’s the case.
And a resurgent UCLA isn’t exactly what you need. I would argue you want Oregon and Cal and Washington to get stronger, but a good/great UCLA program would pose more problems – there is a geographic consideration here.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with RN's methods
He had to rejuvenate the fan base and get the attention of recruits. What else could he do? I am sure he was specifically told by Dan G that Dorrell’s dispassionate demeanor was something to be avoided. So, RN came in with some swagger and tried to make some noise.
And, he’s had some recruiting success, however modest. I believe UCLA’s avg star rating was still fairly low last season….3.25 or so. He’s nabbed a few big name recruits who chose early playing time.
But, at some point soon, he needs to deliver a better product on the field. I know that the cupboard is still 1/2 bare with young players, inexperienced O-line, and QB disappointments. There is enough talent there to think that the Bruins can return to respectability in 2011. However, the team is not showing much heart or discipline on the field, which goes directly to coaching.
by DFWTrojan on Oct 19, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly agree.
Your “fairly low” is low for you guys. We’re quite happy with that haul from last season. (Well at least I’m happy.) That’s a good year for us. And we addressed our needs quite a bit.
We do need to see a better product on the field. Prince showed he has some stuff. The OL is getting older and better. I’m seeing some regression on defense (and I expected that to some extent.) If we don’t contend for the Pac-10 in 2011, I’m worried.
Disagree with showing heart – they were in that Cal game until an unfortunate pick-6 at the end. I agree we need to work on our discipline though. We should be a better product on the field sooner.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree with your final point
You see, the rest of the country doesn’t give a rat’s bee-hind about Oregon or Cal. Those schools are weird and disconnected from the rest of America, they are in places that are full of hippies, hermits, tree dwellers, unabomber types, serial killers, Mario Savios, Timothy Learys, and Nancy Pelosis, and they have no real college football tradition. Washingon enjoys a far better reputation, but their remoteness gives them limited appeal.
In football terms UCLA and even Stanford occupy a far more prominent place in the nation’s consciousness. Our Conference (and USC) will be better off if those fine institutions return to their winning ways of years gone by. By all means, go Bruins and go Indians.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to disagree
with the Go bruins.. strictly on principle…. its just wrong…..
by frak on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Locoweed: Cheese eating surrender monkey?
frak,
In my defense I would like you to note that I used the lower case in that “go.” Now, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that in “Blogese” the lower case indicates a lack of enthusiasm, and I might add that I’ve always derived more pleasure from defeating our declared enemies when (like the Domers) they “believe they can win.” That said I may still need my head examined for uttering such gobbledygook. Perhaps I’ve gone soft and allowed myself to be influenced by Newsweek’s diseased concept that “we are all Socialists now.” Who knows what drives men to such extremes, please accept my humble apology.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 20, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This begs the question
why capitalize “bruins?”
by frak on Oct 20, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like between the two of us we finally figured it out!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 20, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a ruling from a moderator
Paragon is it:
A. Go Bruins!
B. go Bruins!
C. go bruins!
or
D. F$&@ the bruins!
I’m thinking …. hmmmmm….. D?
by frak on Oct 20, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrilege!
You should never use an exclamation mark when writing about the little gutties… except in choice D.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 20, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love them
Best stand-up sit-down comedy in years, especially the Little Man and his bunch.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you do want your copy of the Little Red Book now? ;)
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't beat 'em
Could you send me one? I understand they hand the out on every street corner in DC.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve got a better chance of getting the free “Washington Post for Dummies” or Lyndon LaRouche pamphlets, to be perfectly honest.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying they’re cheap commies?
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it’s the new look. Sure we collectivize your property and brainwash your children, but we’re fiscally responsible about it!
Seems to play well with the independent voters.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One advantage of being Trojans, are allready used to:
Cardinal and Gold
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by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Jesus christ!!!
F*** me too funny!
by Paragon SC on Oct 23, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I'm still not getting what the big deal is.
UCLA is 3-3 with losses to Stanford, which I believe most figured to be a toss-up game, and two losses to teams that are just flat out better than us in terms of talent and experience. Being at .500 midway is a pretty decent spot considering how far we had to come after Dorrell destroyed the program.
There are two issues that seem to be driving some people mad: qb and the D. We’re starting a true freshman…and quite honestly his performance is a 10 steps up from Craft’s last season (regardless of why Craft stunk it up). In regards to the D…what the hell did you think was going to happen when you lost Dwayne Walker? When I gave a rats ass about what non-Bruins thought about Walker, I figured he was overrated. Maybe so, but in a lot of ways he was underrated in terms of recruiting and attitude. The absolute f’n crap filled cluster *#*$ of a game plan Dorrell implemented created a mentality that permeated the ENTIRE TEAM…including the defense. How would Walker perform without Dorrell f’n things up all over the place? Pretty f’n well I’d bet. Pretty f’n well.
Now we got these grown men with their panties all tied up in a bunch and acting like Johnny Football Hero didn’t ask them out to prom because Neuheisel might be talking down to them. I have some advice to these pantywaists – Get. The. F*ck. Over. Yourself. Right. Now. No one gives a shit if you don’t like the way coach is talking to you. He’s in a f*cking hard predicament because of the negligence of past regimes. He’s bound to say something dumb off the cuff because he’s under a lot of stress and pressure to succeed where few have in recent history. We’ve all done this at some point under stress…whoopie-f*ckin’-do! Don’t crucify the dude.
Goodness gracious sakes alive…does UCLA have to deal with this selfish egocentricity all the damn time? I read the bitching all over the damn place…it isn’t confined to one spot. It’s sad, pathetic, and defeating. Every single damn word and action of a coach/team has to be analyzed. Too many f’n people are micromanaging games from the stands/sofa and are losing the love of the game.
Here’s a hint morons – UCLA is on down times and things aren’t going to go well often. Players will screw up and we’re going to see DCs and Assistants come through that aren’t up to snuff. It’s part of the building process. We’ll find our groove. But, for the hot second that this regime is still in its relative infancy, can’t you have some damn faith in the one guy that dreamed of being UCLA’s head coach? What is wrong with just a modicum of faith in RN? He took this job knowing the team was low on talent and even took a voluntary pay cut. He wants to be here. He’s fighting. Have some faith after just 3 bad games this season. Geez. It’s an f’n process people! I’ll be in my same damn spot this Saturday, cheering my beloved Bruins on like always without any of this “Rick is a big meanie and the D is aweful” bs to ruin my enjoyment.
Rant over – thanks for providing the environment/place where I can rant if I must
by BruinFan1 on Oct 20, 2009 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hear hear BruinFan1 and DannyJay
But it’s been a LONG time for UCLA to be down…and it comes at a time when USC is absolutely at the top…all RN’s efforts are coming when the frustration level is on the boil. I am all for giving RN the time to revive the program-but his track record as a coach does not give us a great deal to look back on and be confident about the future. He has a good record but at no prior stop did he demonstrate that he is another Ben Howland-a guy who can revice a moribund program and who had already won national recognition as an outstanding coach when he won National Coach of the Year at Pitt-nor did he demonstrate that he was a Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. We know that RN can coach-you can’t have the record that he has amassed and be a crap coach-but can he bring UCLA to regularly contending for Pac-10 titles and possibly even for national titles? UCLA will be the lab for the hypothesis that RN is a very good/great coach.
by ucladj89 on Oct 20, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neu has 4 year stints
No one knows what Neuheisel is capable of in the long term. I do think that ucla is his dream coaching job, so I believe he isn’t going anywhere as long as the bruins want him to coach their team. I also don’t think that anyone can argue that he is a vast improvement to Dorrell, both on and off the field.
Dwayne Walker will have some better opportunities come his way soon. Maybe the Arizona job will open up. Desert Swarm II if Walker takes over.
by frak on Oct 20, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get down with you bad self BruinFan1
Now. That. Was. A. Rant.
fwiw: that was prolly the most astute rant ever! i’m serious. good going. we can tell you love your team and bruins and i’m so, so, so, very glad ParagonSC provides both – we, Trojans and you, Bruins the forum and space to “converse” over these and many other topics.
hats off to you BruinFan, ucladj and the other guy (not girl, she’s a putz)
and of course, to you Paragon.
I already rec’d this fanpost of Loco’s. I’d do it again if I could JUST BECAUSE OF BruinFan’s rant and ucladj’s response. Good on you all! (rec this post will ya, already! Loco went way off the chain with this one!)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 20, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know what BF1...The problem with you guys
is that you hold all your coaches to the impossible standard set by John Wooden. At the same time, few of you were even around to see him in action and most of you prefer to ignore how St. John got things done in real life.
Now, when it comes to football you had it pretty good in the 1990’s, and even though you weren’t great, at least you mattered. Can I admit that I was just a tiny bit jealous of Bruin football for a few sick years? It sure cost me a lot of money in lost bets.
The problem is that when your fan base saw USC return to prominence they started to act wild, so much so that Heath Ledger probably got some inspiration from BNers for his turn as “The Joker.” Those guys never forgave Bob Toledo for the Miami debacle (forgetting that Edge James’ had a world beater performance – think Vince Young) and demanded blood as soon as Pete Carroll hit his stride. You know the complaints and accusations, so I won’t bother repeating them, suffice it to say it was UGLY.
The BN types wanted a “clean program” a “proud tradition” a “true blue Bruin” and a host of pie in the sky requirements. It’s no surprise that the system spit out Karl Dorrell, a clean guy and a Bruin, but completely unprepared to assume the job. It didn’t work out as you expected and again there was a demand for blood; except this time it was even UGLYer.
Now you have Slick Rick. Good luck with that. You reap what you sow amigos.
Rant On!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't confuse "us" with "them."
You know what I mean.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 21, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche Amigo
My apologies, but I’d like to know what percentage of your alumni do “they” represent? “They” act as if they own Westwood, and “they” ARE able to move the people at Morgan Center as if “they” represent the majority of Bruin alums.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't represent anything other than BN. Trust me.
Don’t worry about BN. I don’t. I just feel really sorry for Nestor. There’s just too much anger in the guy. I’m not sure why, but it’s pretty sad (and not in a pathetic way, I mean it is actually sad).
He’s the type of guy I pray for, and I mean that.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 21, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're really scaring the crap out of me!
Considering how close “that” guy is to this country’s levers of power let’s just hope he doesn’t take us down with him. I think we should pray for the rest of us.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s no closer to the levers of power than I am, so you can rest easy in that regard.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ambiguous
and I’m not feeling much better. DC, how close are you?
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not close at all. I was about to give an answer of the distance between my office and the Capitol building, but that just raises the question of whether that’s where the levers of power really are.
Put it this way, I’m a project manager for running an HR system with about 300,000 users, and I don’t have system access. About all I can do is send a sternly worded email and torment my developers.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good, I can stop worrying about you then, but what’s that nogoodnick Mushroom up to?
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry he spends all of his time writing up stuff for BN and the common good of women.
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my turn to watch him this lifetime.
by DC Trojan on Oct 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like you BF1
Which reminds me, what has happened to SuperBruinMan? I see ucladj every now and again- he’s my kinda Bruin guy.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
Not really worried…I actually for got about him
by Paragon SC on Oct 21, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a constructive comment by one of "them"
Referring to the Blake Ayles’ double barrel salute to the Domers the implacable 102 said the following:
The funny part about this
is I heard Trojays saying "stay classy" about Jimmy Clausen because he called the thug that committed a personal foul (late hit) against him a "dummy" because that little indiscretion lengthened ND’s drive. That’s classy compared to the invective I would have filled this punk’s ear with. I don’t think there are words that adequately express what I think of them. But as this picture shows, the SCum are nothing but hypocrites. Stay classy SCandalous SCrotum-licking SCum!
Troy will fall…AGAIN!
by Bruins102NCAA on Oct 19, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LINK
No one here has condoned Ayles’ rude behavior (although having been to ND for the game once, I can understand his frustration); so does this BNer have a leg to stand on when he demands “classy” behavior from anyone?
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that Loco and I said typical 102
Who knows maybe he sent the hat that charlie keeps in his office, it sounds like his speed.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Speed" being the operative word there
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 21, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is obviously inreference to my post about Clausen
102 is still not I happy that I banned him from CC because of something he said on another board….
Hie comments above only prove that I was right in doing it…
I could go on but it is pointless…
by Paragon SC on Oct 21, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good riddance
The guy is diseased, he’s not mentally capable of happiness unless it’s Schadenfreude.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I condone it
I thought it was funny.
The intent was harmless. It was crude, and thats about it.
As far as Clausen is concerned, I don’t have a problem with what he said to Malik Jackson. I think it was a mistake, because talking trash like that and losing the game makes him look very stupid. Classy or not classy….. I don’t know the man well enough to make that kind of call, but I think its wrong to talk trash before a game is in the books if you don’t want to end up looking like a total tool.
by frak on Oct 21, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Tarkanian was a better coach than Wooden
The so call Wizard, did he coin his own phrase or did Sam Gilbert give it to him. Oh and how about the TEN commandments in life he put out there as his Pyramid, sorry but I watch all this and the person reeks in my book. Really how much money did Gilbert pay the Ncaa to go after Tark?
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Devil's In The Details
See, there ya go… the angelic St. John and his little devil Sam, Ying and Yang.
Most of the BN types weren’t even born when it all happened. Talk about a “decided schematic advantage”, St. John of Wooden definitely knows the meaning of that. I wouldn’t go as far as saying the person reeks (Bob Boyd might), but StJW did stretch and innovate as far as the rules were concerned. No coach will ever match that record, because no coach will ever enjoy such advantages.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DING DING
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that Wooden approved of Gilbert
He didn’t blow the whistle to the NCAA, but in that day and age everyone was paying off the players. USC paid off Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble. Gilbert paid off 8 championships worth of players. I just think that Wooden didn’t think that there was anything that he could do about it.
I don’t think that it impacts his legacy, but I do think that bruins should think twice before lecturing anyone about NCAA violations, paying off players, and championships being revoked.
by frak on Oct 21, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that analogy
But I still think jw knew what was going on but thats me anyway
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's ok cuz everybody did it?
C’mon frak, St. John knew old Sam was up to no good, he started objecting to Gilbert’s shenanigans when the situation became obvious to everyone but the most dedicated Bruin partisans. Here’s a highly revealing statement that Gene Bartow made to the LA Times in 1993:
“I believe Sam Gilbert was Mafia-related and was capable of hurting people. I think, had the NCAA come in hard while I was at UCLA, (Gilbert and others associated with the program) would have felt I had reported them, and I would have been in possible danger.”
“Sam was a most unusual person, and he violated many rules knowingly. Without question, he put out some front-end money (to recruits) in a few cases, and I think that could have been proven.”
LINK
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that it was right
just saying that I don’t think he approved. From what I have read and heard, Wooden scolded players that he thought received gifts from Gilbert. I guess he could have called the NCAA on his own players, but who back in that day had the guts to do that sort of thing. The answer is, no one.
by frak on Oct 22, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding... We have a winner!
I guess he could have called the NCAA on his own players, but who back in that day had the guts to do that sort of thing. The answer is, no one.
Sainthood is REVOKED!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my point is
ucla and USC both live in glass houses. I don’t have any illusions regarding Reggie Bush, and ucla can’t shake the fact that Sam Gilbert tainted 8 of their championship teams. You simply can’t revere ucla’s storied basketball history, and then blast USC without seeming hypocritical.
By the way the only people who use the “Cheaty” moniker are in Westwood. Everyone calls Neuheisel “Slick Rick.” Here’s another truth. Calling out Carroll for cheating, which no one has ever accused him of doing, is hypocritical when your team hires a coach that has been run out of 2 college football programs, and exiled from college ball for 5 years.
by frak on Oct 22, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An then there's Bill Walton
in his 1978 book “Bill Walton: On the Road with the Portland Trail Blazers.”
“I hate to say anything that may hurt UCLA, but I can’t be quiet when I see what the NCAA is doing (to other coaches) only because (they have) a reputation for giving a second chance to many black athletes other coaches have branded as troublemakers. The NCAA is working night and day trying to get (them), but no one from the NCAA ever questioned me during my four years at UCLA.”
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 21, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job Loco and for all the non-believers, Bartow just walked
Now we know why it was Gilbert giving him the Evil Eye, I’m sure Gene didn’t want a dead Fish showing up at his doorstep. The funny thing is Loco that when I presented the Walton book at BN they then Banned me, go figure Ness.
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 22, 2009 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the words of the immortal Ronald Reagan,
“There you go again. And we were getting along so nicely, too, while you had fun tossing snark at Neuheisel and UCLA. But NOOOOO, you just couldn’t resist-you had to pop off with some certifiable comment about Tark being better than Wooden. To give you a little factual background, by all accounts Gilbert had no associations with UCLA until after Wooden won his first two titles, which just happens to be one more than the great Tark won during his lifetime as a coach. Second, if winning titles was based solely on talent, North Carolina would have won about 20 titles. Wooden’s first two titles were won without benefit of anyone named Alcindor or Walton, and that first tle team didn’t have a starter taller than 6’-5”. He won with the best talent, he won with good but not great talent, he won with pretty much anything he had to work with. And he won in a league that was miles better than the Big West that Tark’s UNLV played in.
You can complain all you like about Gilbert’s influence in the program (which remains unclear and nobody AFAIK has yet to provide any kind of analysis specifically indicating what NCAA violations Gilbert engaged in while acting as a booster when Wooden was coach), but to claim Tark was better than Wooden is simply, empirically, uhm, insane.
by ucladj89 on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took less talent and did better, in-fact I knew a few other coaches better than jw
And most of the good teams were not in the equation since field was only league Champions. 89 I don’t know how much basketball you played in so. cal. but I have played a lot and most of the people I ran with felt Tark was better. Your great Wizard was just that a myth.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I truly dig you and your style SoCal but. . . .
. . . . John Wooden, although a true-blue Bruin is probably one of the all time greatest coaches in ANY SPORT. Without question, he has my utmost respect as a coach and an individual. Jerry Tarkanian won what? 1 championship. And with whom? Less talent, probably- but even still, you cannot possibly put him in the same realm, let alone coaching standard as John Wooden.
I became a Trojan in 1999, my affiliations were more NorCal up until that point. So, it can be said- I’m somewhat of a newbie. I didn’t understand, let alone comprehend the USC/ucla rivalry until 2000. And when I did, I came to the conclusion that ucla-supporters were suffering from a degree of hatred I only knew from my Chilean-background (Chile/Argentina). What I understood as a child was the Notre Dame/USC dynamic before my Trojan indoctrination and THAT competitive relationship has become validated each and every year I’ve been a Trojan- which is based on mutual respect, disdain, and camaraderie. (my visit to South Bend in 2003 was massive and filled with beer, song, arm-wrestling. my visit in 2005. . . .i spent mostly with Trojans in a hotel bar that didn’t close until 4am)
In short, Tark cannot hold The Wizards jock in any form or fashion. Just my take.
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 21, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bix I understand but I was involved in the southern calif. basketball scene during woodens hay day.
I will never give that dude any respect, I am not trying to change anybody’s mind about this dude. But I know basketball and most of the people I hung with are head coaches and ex- Nba players. Most of those people are 50-50 on Tark vs. wooden, and buy the way he didn’t wear a joke from what I understand.
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 21, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can I grade the relative accomplishments
of Tark v. Wooden, me not playing basketball in So Cal like you?
NCAA Titles:
Wooden 10
Tark 1
Wooden: 88-game winning streak
Wooden: 38-game winning streak in the NCAA
How many of Tark’s prodigies are even half as intelligent as Kareem, Jamaal Wilkes, Henry Bibby, Marques Johnson or Mike Warren? Lloyd Daniels? Larry Johnson? Tark recruited and got kids who required more brains just to be half-wits and still you claim that he was a better man and coach?
case closed.
Tark was a fine coach but compared to Wooden, you’ve got to be kidding. And I didn’t have to play basketball in SoCal to figure that one out.
by ucladj89 on Oct 22, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Ncaa championship series was a cake walk during woodens years
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams;1975–1978: 32 teams, with this format ucla got a bye in first round, so only 4 games wow starting in the S- 16.
When it went to 32 he was 1 out of 4 years, just one more round and couldn’t dominate.
Tark actually used outcast players and had to play 6 rounds a lot tougher, also Keith isn’t that smart and Lew needs to change his bong water before going on jeopardy
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 22, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure was a cakewalk during Wooden's coaching era 1948-1975
which is why UCLA’s accomplishments are so pedestrian. Everyone else was winning NCAA titles, too. Do you have a coherent explanation for why nobody else won as many titles considering how easy it was to win an NCAA title in Wooden’s years?
Further, according to Wiki, the number of teams in the tournament has gone as follows:
:1939–1950: eight teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
Yuo suggest that it was easy because UCLA only played four games in the JRW era to win a title whereas Tark had to win 6 (not true until 1985.) OhhhKayyy…-UCLA would have been a no. 1 seed or no. 2 seed in every year it won a title-how many no. 1 seeds have lost to a no. 16? None. How many no 2 seeds have lost to a 15 seed? Four. In the 2nd round UCLA would have been playing at worst a 7 seed-given that UCLA won 38 straight in the tournament would you care to take a guess what the result of that tilt would be?
Tark started coaching in 1968, so for 7 years he coached under the same NCAA format as JRW-no titles. Hmm, I guess it wasn’t such a cakewalk. From 1975 until 1982, where Tark only had to win a measly five games-0 titles. His last seven years at Fresno State he only had two NCAA appearances-who knew that just making the tournament was such an achievement?
Look, Tark was a great coach. So was Bobby Knight, Dean Smith, Kryszewski, etc. But none of them won ten titles. Only JRW did. He won with the best talent and he won with lesser talent. And even though “all” he had to do was face four conference champs to win a title in his era, he won 38 straight. That is greatness that is simply unmatched by any coach in any major sport. JRW was the best, and it isn’t close.
As for smart players, I am not suggesting that Kareem and Wilkes, et al are MENSA candidates. Compared to the dregs that Tark “taught” (excepting only Greg Anthony), however, JRW’s kids were paragons of virtue and quite bright.
by ucladj89 on Oct 22, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wo, wo, wo, wo, WHOA!
Baking powder? What’s all this about Henry, and Bibby, and ucla, and Wooden prodigies? Henry Bibby went to ? He was coached by ??
No wonder that son-of-a-gun was such a BASTARD! He’s really a . . . . .c’mon now. . . .tell me, what’s a bruin? Really? (Wiki just outted your asses! I never knew?)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, sir. Well played.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, wiki is put together by a bunch of computer nerds
so i can only assume Cal is behind that one.
Dictionary definition of Bruin:
1) conventional name for a bear used in tales following usage in the old epic `Reynard the Fox’
2) large ferocious bear of Eurasia
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 22, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah!
Those cheeky-Dumpster Muffin-lovin’ vegetarians! Don’t those guys have a Nobel prize to fetch? Hmmmmph!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 22, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the whole problem with the Wooden era...
few people in the blogosphere were around to see it happen. Like making sausages the product is mighty tasty, but the process? Nasty.
And don’t worry Bix, Bibby was one hell of a Destructo-Bruin buy we’ve implanted Slick Rick in their f-ball program. We’ll see who laughs last…
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 22, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While we're at it Bix
lets ask Paragon to give this monstrosity a re-bump. The debate must go on!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 22, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seguramente, y debemos!
For ALL SB NATION, not just CC!
This is the Everyready-Thread, nay. . . . ..el Loco polemico!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 22, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we Bruins and Trojans could make a deal here. I know it’s not just us in the room, so to speak, but we Bruins should stop bitching about supposed, unproven allegations about the USC program (and drop “Cheatie Petey” from our vernacular) and USC fans drop the “Slick Rick”/Sam Gilbert stuff. (Well, you guys can keep Slick Rick, nobody’s accusing him of cheating now, just problems before and a concern that there will be problems in the future).
Because at the end of the day, these allegations are just that – allegations. Nobody’s proven anything. NCAA is still the governing board, and nobody is yanking championships or sanctioning or anything. (Though I won’t pretend I didn’t laugh at Samuel Jackson’s “paycut” comment to Mark Sanchez. It was funny. Am I a bad person? A hypocrite? Maybe. Whatever.)
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 22, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you get the macabre prank
and the waterballoon fight removed from the laundry list??
by frak on Oct 22, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know why I can read BN – I can separate fact from opinion, and BN does have a lot of good analysis on my Bruins. And they do a lot of good things. And Rye writes for them.
I can’t get anything removed from a laundry list I personally don’t acknowledge, because it falls into the “opinion” portion of the spectrum. It’s a silly endeavor I’m not taking part in. I feel the need to comment on other blogs to say “hey, we’re a diverse group – no one blog represents ’em all.” Because at some point I think everybody forgets that.
I also don’t know anything about the waterballoon fight, and the prank was funny. I will be googling the former later.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do most people feel head coaching is coaching, it is not it is about leading.
In a large team sport like football HCs don’t really coach they lead, their assistants do the coaching. It’s up the HC to put it all together and make it work on game day, Pete is a great leader and that is why he does so well. Rick talks a big game but that is his Lawyer (carpet bagger) mentality, all the teams in the past came with all the pieces and thats why his record was always good in the beginning. If you didn’t notice Colorado and Washington went south later in Ricks tenure, so now what will happen on his latest client .
Good Luck Bruins———This may be a long Wrong Turn
Paul D. Kelley
It's not about doing your job, But can you do it with a TENNIS BALL in your throat!
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 20, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry Bruins I don't like john wooden, hell I don't feel Tark is that great!
My coaches were Robert Forester and Jack Bogdanovich great guys and super mentors, even if they were only JC coaches. Both were offered D-1 jobs but turned them down, because they were happy with there situations.
1) no alumni telling them how to coach and bisecting wins and loses.
2) no Boosters riding there tail and able to sleep at night knowing it was a clean program.
3) helping so-called lower end players develope into NBA players and head coaching jobs—-Lo-Romar—Ben Howland—Tom Tolbert—Russel Otis and the list goes on.
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 22, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know...
Who among us has owned, done or knows any or all of the following:
a. Looked groovy in a Nehru jacket and love beads
b. Drank Tang with your breakfast
c. Tried to grow mutton chop side burns
d. You remember that show with Howard, Dandy Don and The Giffer
e. You danced to KC and The Sunshine Band live or at least at a Disco
f. Flew on PSA or Air Cal
g. Saw The Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Nuart and no one was in costume
h. Your dad wore a Leisure Suit
i. You had striped bell bottom trousers
j. Had girlfriend with Farrah Do
k. Had a close friend with an afro or jewfro
l. Slept and had fun on a water bed
m. Drove or sat in a Pinto, Vega, Gremlin or Corvair
n. You know John McKay won 4 National Championships. Pete who?
o. Saw Bear Bryant cringe while USC delivered a 42-21 pounding to all-white ‘Bama
p. Still own a vinyl record collection
q. Took girlfriend to a James Taylor concert (he used to have hair)
r. You know the identity of Mr. October
s. Mourned Janice Joplin
t. You know your draft lottery number
u. Paid 36 cents for a gallon of gas
v. Had an 8 Track Stereo tape player in your car
w. Took Mom to see Frank Sinatra’s Show in Vegas (and Liberace too)
x. You watched Ali-Frazier with Howard Cosell commenting
y. You know Wilt was better than Lew
z. You saw Nixon waving goodbye in front of Marine 1
If you checked off at least half of the above AND loved college basketball you lived the Wooden Era, talk all you want.
If you didn’t… well you just read about it on BN or read about it in a book.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 22, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
yes on all except-a. g.h.q.w.
Gas 10 cents, had the sideburns, 267, road with Reggie to go pick up a car,
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 22, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy smokes!
Practically a perfect score!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mom owned a Pinto
and I flew many times on PSA and Air Cal. I remember John Wayne Airport when it was just Orange County Airport and passengers walked out onto the tarmac to embark. I have slept on a waterbed and vaguely remember Nixon waving goodbye. Other than that, I missed them all.
by ucladj89 on Oct 23, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tang? Does having a Tang-tini for breakfast count?
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s tough to be a Bruin these days.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoken like a man who’s never enjoyed a marvelous Tangtini. Which reminds me, time to get more Tang.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 23, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, Tang screwdrivers were a desperate measure back in my salad years, Schmeernoff was the “good stuff” then. Just tell me you don’t defile the Tang by using Gilbey’s Gin!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grey Goose and Tang seems a little, um, asymetrical. But what the hell.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on everyone knows Absolute Citron on the rocks 4 olives
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 23, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re a dirty old man so.cal., very dirty.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who needs Tang?
Or a glass for that matter.
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief!
This was a very entertaining, epic, and tangential rant, boys & girls. Congratulations! For a hot second I thought I was lost in one of the DBDs over at CGB, but for the color scheme and preponderance of Uclans here.
Thanks for the entertainment.
Oh, and despite what Harsha linked, deep down I think we all really do know what a bruin is :)
On ATQ I'm known as JSoCal Oski
It's spelled J-etc
by SoCal Oski on Oct 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We could never apporach what CGB accomplishes...
by Paragon SC on Oct 23, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no!
I am amazed at their level of participation at CGB…
by Paragon SC on Oct 24, 2009 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree!
CGB sets the standard. Of course you Bears are just a bunch of dreamy Kommies that blog from the Kaffe Haus all day long! But… what a contrast to “The Nation’s” dull apparatchiks.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 24, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a bunch of dreamy Kommies that blog from the Kaffe Haus all day long!
You say that like it’s a bad thing…
by DC Trojan on Oct 24, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all!
It’s a sincere compliment, no blog does it better – still Kommies though.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come the Revolution
. . . we’ll have all of you down there wearing Mickey Mao ears.
by CalBear81 on Oct 25, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you identified where you were (an ’SC blog) by the fact that there are a bunch of UCLA people here? ???
seriously, though, if there were a UCLA equivalent of CGB, I’d be a happy camper.
Go Bruins!
by Harsha on Oct 23, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no … I see where I was totally confusing! I meant that I recognized I was NOT at CGB by the amount of Uclans here. The only way I could tell this was CC was the color scheme and the borderline insane posts by bix, loco, and native
On ATQ I'm known as JSoCal Oski
It's spelled J-etc
by SoCal Oski on Oct 26, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Rick Neuheisel will be going for it tomorrow!
Stayed tuned as Ricardo moves towards the tie… No, not with Arizona, with Karl Dorrell.
Neuhi’s Bruins have already produced two “Dorrell Specials” (3 L’s in a row), but lose again and Slick will have achieved a “Super Dorrellian” and will be facing the real possibility of achieving an epic and unforgettable worst-this-century “Royal Grand Dorrellian” (5 straight!) when his Gutties go Trick or Treating in Corvallis. What comes next? I don’t think there’s a name for it yet.
Talk about scary!
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not feeling so great about tomorrow.
We’ll see how it goes, but I have to watch it at the Coliseum! My wife is a member of a Trojan club so she has to do some volunteering for a club tailgate. If we lose, I’m going to have to listen to all the trash talk…and I’m going to be really pissed off.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 23, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could win #1
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 23, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surrender to The Force!
Otherwise known as the Missus…
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 23, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fellow in the brotherhood
I know all about doing what the wife wants. Courage, mate.
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It's spelled J-etc
by SoCal Oski on Oct 23, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for what its worth
I won’t be one of those people rubbing it in. Wearing your colors proudly at your rivals house is a ballsy thing to do. Especially when you are riding a losing streak. As long as you aren’t talking trash, I won’t be throwing any your way. But there’s always going to be some d-bag who never sat through a game of the Hackett era, that’s going to pop off, so for what its worth, sorry about those guys.
by frak on Oct 24, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we have an agreement.
I wear USC gear when helping her with her Trojan stuff and she wears UCLA gear anytime we go near UCLA. I actually think it’s pretty messed up to wear your school gear at another school when you’re not playing them. It’s just unnecessary.
All bets are off during the rivalry (both football and basketball). We both get too blood thirsty in late fall. :-)
by BruinFan1 on Oct 24, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. In your shoes, I’d consider wearing USC-like colors but I’d draw the line at actually advertising the opposition.
Well, actually that’s not entirely true. The missus went to a Seven Sisters school so there’s no football conflict there, but she grew up in Ann Arbor and has been known to put the kids in Michigan shirts on Rose Bowl day… never to Michigan’s benefit. So as a sympathy vote I’ll wear a Michigan t-shirt every now and again during the season.
by DC Trojan on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a limit.
I guess USC has some tradition of kicking a flag pole on the way to the Coliseum. Well, we went to the flagpole and my wife asked me to kick it. I won’t. I’m not a Trojan and I’m not going to delve into Trojan tradition. I wear the shirt as support for my wife and, quite honestly, the system works for us. Maybe a different system would work for another couple, but this works for us and works very well. And quite honestly, I don’t have a deep hatred for USC at all. I know a lot of great Trojans. All I really want is to kick your butts when we face off. Any other time…meh. (except when you play Cal…I do not like them at all. Please destroy them every year. Thanks).
by BruinFan1 on Oct 24, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever works
I don’t see a problem with wearing your gear at an opponents game. I wear my USC hat when I go to bruin games. I don’t deck myself out in full Trojan gear. Its just a hat. I wear it regardless of how my team is doing. I wore it after 13-9, and I wore it last year after the loss in Corvallis. For me I don’t put my hat away, not because I want to cause a problem, but because I don’t want to be mistaken for a ucla fan.
by frak on Oct 25, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to hunt you down at the Rose Bowl
and super glue a UCLA hat to your head. Only then will you feel my pain.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived through the Hackett years
I know your pain
by frak on Oct 25, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t like Cal? But BF1, that’s like not liking puppies . . . or Christmas . . . or goofy-looking bears in over-sized gold sweaters!
by CalBear81 on Oct 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should add the Chicago Cubs...
CGB slogan: “A Winning Tradition Of Losing”
Classic! Talk about grace under fire.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it’s just a statement of fact. The truth is, we could beat you Trojans every year, if we wanted to. And you Bruins, too. And everybody else. We could win the mythical national championship every single year, if we wanted to. But instead, we choose to honor our school’s heritage, and continue our winning tradition of losing. Be true to your school!
by CalBear81 on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey dude, nothing do do with you.
I got tooooo problems (yes, tooooo) -
1.) I don’’t like UCB based on my UCLA heritage. It’s in my blood generally. It is in my blood to also not like USC. So why do I hate UCB more?….
2.) Most Cal fans I have met are pricks. And I mean that. They have treated me very poorly without provocation. If Cal fans were to come up to me and be nice, that would be one thing. BUT, Cal fans always seek me out at games and are quite annoying. So, I hope you get destroyed on the field, court, pool, etc.
Trojans, quite ironically for a Bruin, are very nice to me. Go figure.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, there is a certain minority of fans of pretty much every school who act like obnoxious jerks. I’ve had that experience with UCLA and USC fans myself a few times, but I have had some good experiences, too. I’m sorry that you have had bad experiences with Cal fans. I apologize for my fellow-fans.
by CalBear81 on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm no
A majority of Cal fans, specifically the student section, are tools.
I had a pair follow my parents and I back to our car yelling the f word in our faces. If My dad didn’t calm me down I probably would have pounded them. The whole crowd was really in on the profanity thing.
Cal fans are simply the biggest tools in the Pac-10, probably followed by Oregon fans.
Beaver fans are the coolest.
Only fan to get violent with me was an ASU fan. But that is another story.
That’s my take after sampling the fanbase of all the Pac-10 schools
by frak on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apologized for bad behavior by my fellow-fans. Not sure what you mean by “Ummm no” in response.
by CalBear81 on Oct 27, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Cal fans I have met are pricks. And I mean that. They have treated me very poorly without provocation.
Are you sure those weren’t Ucla fans, because that’s been my experience with you babyblue types.
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by SoCal Oski on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re on the way… down 13 – 0 in the early second quarter.
by DC Trojan on Oct 24, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Massively epic threading guys
I’m not so sure if that’s syntactically correct or cool/hip in the least. I’m luggage, just got back from a wedding and where you ask? . . . . . .Oh, in a rockin-rolla town called, Roseville, CA (that’s see-ay, ese’). Just HAD TO FIND OUT HOW WE DID vs. The Beavers (Gawd-I-Love-That-Name! ! !) and read up on Loco’s coolass thread here.
All I wanna say is, this is AS good as I’ve seen and read at CGB. It’s like this endless stream of conciousness. . . . .BUT from many varied sources AND. . . . ..i’m totally diggin’ it.
ALL OF IT! (I wish I had one extra thumb. . . . .in order to give all you guys THREE THUMBS UP!)
btw: I’m glad we beat the beavers. beating them is the best thing to do. i love beating beavers. no. . . . .i’m afraid that’s not entirely true. . . . . . .i actually like petting beavers. . . . ..that is, of course- if they want me to pet them. . . . . .then again. . . . .what beaver WOULDN’T want me to pet them?. . . . .
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 24, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your ambivalence, those creatures are so unpredictable tha one often can’t discern whether they need a vigorous pounding or some friendly petting.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 24, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey BruinFan1
Loco said, “vigorous” and “pounding” in the same sentence. That Loco. What a superstar. Sexually. Just like a Trojan should be. (did I just write that?)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 25, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I thought I was talking football…
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BANG! BANG!
Owwww! You got me.
(my bad. i think?)
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 25, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
¡Orale ese!
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did you get that exclamation mark. . . .
. . . . to go upside-down? That’s some trick shit, yo!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new low-not Dorrellian
The Dorrell era was a hopeless one of mediocrity…the RN era is still a work in progress but the signs are demoralizing. After yesterday’s debacle, I now understand what it must have been like for you in the Hackett Era…but our situation is worse because we have signifcantly less football heritage to look back on and there really seems to be no end in sight as our AD and the UCLA administration seem unlikely to do what is necessary to improve the program.
I am sooooo frustrated-not because of the losses but because of the manner in which we are losing. I watched receivers drop balls put right on the numbers and/or hands, and watched a senior quarterback with time to throw on an all-out blitz overthrow a flare pass to the RB out of the backfield. I watched an offense that was given 5 turnovers fail to score an offensive TD. UCLA has 3 TD in 4 Pac-10 games. I watched a defense with some talent but hardly star-studded sit back on base D and get destroyed by simple end-arounds becaus5-6 times the DE forgot that he was the contain guy…it’s EPIC FAIL on all levels.
I know y’all are enjoying it…but man this sucks.
by ucladj89 on Oct 25, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true ucladj
I didn’t enjoy the Bruins loss yesterday one bit. I’ll say it again- because of the intensity of the rivalry we share and the fact that on any given December Saturday- you guys have the potential to beat us with less talent (coaching & players) and more hatred. It’s that “enemy” respect, kinda respect I’m talking about.
With that said, I hated to see you guys lose to the Ducks. The Ducks are in “our way”. If you guys can potentially beat us. . . .you guys should definitely have the ability to beat the Ducks. Your coaching and player personnel is better than theirs (that’s subjective, but it’s my subjectivity) AND weren’t you guys playing at home? So no. I’m bummed you guys lost to the Ducks. Could have helped both of us out, as far as Pac 10 ramifications are concerned. Would have done wonders for your “psyche”, not to mention mine- in specific.
Go Bruins (next week)
Beat Somebody Again This Year!
"As for being a Raiders fan, I wouldn't wish that fucking shit on anybody." [the venerable OTS at Roll Bama Roll}
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be completely honest
yes I enjoy it when the bruins lose. But thats only because they are our crosstown rival.
by frak on Oct 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with frak
but it’s mostly because I hate those clowns at “The Nation” and it’s in a Trojan’s DNA. That said, I do feel bad for our visiting Bruin amigos. Chin up boys and start your own blog you deserve better. In the meantime feel free to hang out.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 25, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such a good post!
Bring it back to suggested posts! If I need to bring more controversy to have this post brought back to the top, I hear Locoweed digs sheep! If he denies it, he needs to disprove it.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do like
my woolen sockies on a cold winter’s night, if that’s what you mean. Unlike you Bruins, I don’t crap in the woods.
¡Fusílenlo, después veriguamos! - Pancho Villa
by Locoweed 1.1 on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we don't know that.
Locoweed, you’re officially on the list of crimes on BN. Woolen sockies? Tisk tisk. How macabre of you.
by BruinFan1 on Oct 26, 2009 2:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This has been the best thread ever, great fun love you all in a macho way.
Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball
Wooden: ups and downs
Player: thanks you are a wizzs
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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