Pete's Response To Mark's Departure
by BruinFan1 on Jan 15, 2009 5:58 PM PST
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PrintI think at this point you've all seen the hoopla about Pete's negative response to Mark's departure to the NFL. What is your general sense of the reaction? In all honesty, I can't think of one good reason why Pete would react the way he did.
First, I would assume that one would argue that he is doing this for Mark's benefit, but Mark is not under Pete's control anymore (unless, of course, Mark can reneg on his decision to declare for the draft, but I'm not too sure if he can...maybe someone else knows).
If not this, Pete may be making a statement for future recruits. I guess the statement would be that he is looking out for the best interest of the players but again, I can't really see how this helps because I'm very sure the two of them have been talking ad naseum about the draft. Negative comments to the public probably won't sway Mark if, as reports indicate, even his family is against the decision.
To me, this seems like a bad decision on Pete's part. First, the comments seem to poison Mark's draft stock. It is now out in the open that Mark's own coach does not believe in him. I can't imagine these comments will help bolster his resume. Additionally, it would seem that these comments will act as a deterrent in regards to future commits to the program. Why would anyone want to play for a coach that will publicly denounce your decisions?
I think you all know that I don't come on here to get a rise out of you guys but this is a situation that seems pretty wrong to me. What do you guys think?
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What's "wrong" with it?
Carroll simply said he thought Sanchez should stay and gain more experience … then he went on and on about how happy he is for Sanchez – how he thinks Sanchez will have a great career – compliment after compliment after compliment. It was hardly “negative” — in fact, I thought Carroll went overboard in his praise.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
No need to blow this out of proportion
From Scott Wolf’s Blog: UPDATED: Carroll did sit at the table at the outset but said tonight he wanted to stand at a podium but none was provided by USC officials, so that’s why he stood and appeared frustrated.
Show Pete some respect he was not pissed just dissapointed, anyone would be if the leader of your team opts for bigger and better things.
Mark left early because he thought his draft position would be higher since Bradford and Tebow opted to stay in school. There was an article written after the last NFL draft that stated that of all the seniors who decided to stay and school and play another year at SC they made more money, i can’t seem to find the article but it said that the experience gained by staying at SC helped out their draft stock tremendously amounting to millions if not tens of millions of dollars in more contract money. Pete wants whats best for Mark. He is not worried about talent and even experience at the QB position, next year we will have 3 5-star QB recruits in Mustain, Corp and Barkley any one of them could start at nearly any D-1 Football program. Mustain also has the added advantage of going 9-0 at Arkansas as a starter when he was just a Freshman.
It’s also nice to know that the Ruinsnations spin machine is running on all cylinders.
Cautioning players from making a bad descision is not bad business
Ask Mike Williams if leaving early worked out for him. Coach Carroll has maintained that if you are not the first pick at your position, you probably shouldn’t leave early. If Mark sinks to the 2nd or 3rd round, then you might have a different opinion.
Your comment that Coach Carroll doesn’t believe in Mark is a bit overstated. I think it would be more fair to say that Coach Carroll doesn’t think its in the best interest of Mark’s career to leave early. Pro scouts, and just about everyone else agrees that Mark would be a better QB if he stayed another season. The only thing that works in Mark’s favor is McCoy, Bradford, and Tebow all staying to finish their senior seasons.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but it may be a bit of bruin bias that is painting Coach Carroll in a negative light.
Let's be honest
Sanchez is going higher than the 2nd or 3rd round.
To suggest that his decision did not involve a considerable amount of reflection is inaccurate. I know you Frak do not suggest that but there are some who do. Why was it a good move? First there is the known. Tebow, McCoy, and Bradford are staying and all have the potential to go higher than Sanchez in the next draft. Sanchez is coming off a good Rose Bowl win from an 11-1 team. His stock is up and based on his skill set he will probably be the 2nd QB taken. Sanchez sat back, waited, and watched Bradford and Tebow announce they were staying and then pulled the trigger. I’m sure if they would have entered the draft, Sanchez would have stayed.
The unknown probably sealed the deal and it would for me if I was in his position. What OC is he going to work with next season? The Pac-10, overall, will be better next season and the potential exists for SC to lose 3 games in what you all admit is a rebuilding year. Why not leave on a high note? Sure, he will be one year better and stronger if he stays but he will be one year better and stronger holding the clipboard in the NFL learning whatever system he is going to learn.
We all know that Carroll is a smart guy. Why even say one negative word about this kid? Carroll knows that a single negative remark, carefully placed into heaps of adulation will be picked out by the media and magnified. It just seems like sour grapes and what bugs me about it is this. I never liked Sanchez but from what I saw of his play, he gave his all for your team. Why would he not be entitled to the highest praise?
by Bruins102NCAA on Jan 16, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Or maybe he thinks that it isn't a good idea
People have left before, and Carroll has wished them well. Its clear that he thinks Mark is making a bad decision. I don’t see him raking Mark over the coals. He said all the same stuff when Mike Williams left.
I mentioned that I thought that it was a good business decision because the QB field in the 2010 draft will include Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy. I understand why Mark is leaving, and its based mostly on that fact. But there hasn’t been too many experts that say he couldn’t benefit from another year.
You argue that Mark is a lock for a first round pick. Nothing is for certain in the draft. Based on Mark’s play against ASU, U of A, Cal, and Oregon State, I would not be so sure about him as a pro QB. If you base it on the two best wins, Ohio State, and Penn State, then yeah I would say he is a lock.
You argue that we should all bury our heads in the sand and say that Sanchez is ready and what a great decision he is making for leaving early. Well what if we don’t think he made the right decision. You think we shouldn’t talk about players who leave early, and whether or not they made the right choice. Davon Jefferson possibly cost himself millions by leaving early. Mike Williams and Manny Wright both suffered from leaving early. I for one believe he could have improved as a QB if he stayed at SC, but I understand the business of the NFL, and realize that there are millions of dollars at stake if he returns and doesn’t do well. Personally myself and most of my friends wish Mark well, but we hope he isn’t making a mistake. For the record all the things that Carroll has said have been said by NFL scouts on the record.
Coach Carroll has a responsibility to all his players to be honest about matters like this. By the way, Coach Carroll isn’t saying anything that any Trojan fan isn’t thinking or saying right now. Also if you think his comments are going to influence where he gets drafted, then you’re wrong. NFL teams are going to look at Mark based on what he does at the combine, and his body of work in college. They aren’t going to give any weight to what Coach Carroll said at a press conference when he announced that he was leaving.
Lastly USC hasn’t had a rebuilding year in 6 seasons. I am of the opinion that we will win 10-11 games with Aaron Corp next year under center. From what I have seen of him, he is a very capable young man with 2 seasons in the system. The offense returns everyone except Patrick Turner and Mark Sanchez. The defense returns 5 starters, and lots of reserves with game experience. The only real unknown is at LB which I am hoping T’eo will help us with. I agree with you that the Pac 10 will be better next year, because it can’t really get worse. The only games that I’m worried about are Oregon and Oregon State. I don’t think the bruins will be a threat in 2009, but in the next couple of seasons I think they will compete for the Pac-10 title.
Washington- are better if they win 1 game next year
WSU- are better if they win 3 games, and were decimated by injury in 2008
Oregon- returns a lot of scary people on offense running the ball but loses a few key skill players they will probably improve
OSU- Has a lot of young talent, and could end up being anywhere from 1st to 3rd place in the Pac-10
Cal- Always seems to have QB and O-line problems. I don’t see them getting better, I see them staying where they are
Stanford- Has improved every year under Harbaugh. I expect them to have a winning season.
ucla- 7-5 or 8-4 is an improvement. If they win more than that they would be 1 year ahead of schedule.
ASU- loses Carpenter, and was terrible this year I dont see them making a move
Arizona- loses Tuitama, if they don’t get a better QB to replace him then they will fall short of their 2008 record.
I'm always going to have Bruin bias
but that doesn’t mean my points are not valid.
I only bring this up because, to me, it seems to be the converse of Pete’s character. I do not subscribe to any other blog’s policy of character assassination. I’ve met many people that have met Pete or know him personally and have nothing but great things to say about him.
That being said frak, how does publicly ripping Mark’s decision help anything at all? Most importantly, how does it help Mark if he’s already gone? Precisely because Pete knows the NFL, has sent so many NCAA players to the pros and has a good eye for talent is the reason why this statement matters. Pete’s opinion carries a lot of weight.
In all honesty, you don’t think when a guy like Pete Carroll, the top dog of college football, makes a statement about a player not being ready/should not go to the pros yet, that the NFL higher-ups are listening/watching, thereby hurting Mark’s stock in the draft?
I think PC's character is beyond reproach
so he made a mistake in letting his emotions get the better of him…it happens…welcome to the real world…
The NFL only looks out for itself so they will make the decision that fits them best.
And what about all the crap you people say over there at B(M)N GET OUT
Who are you to say young Ruin boy?
Are you god, I think not!
Are you employed to do as such, I don’t care!
Are you smarter than the rest of us, maybe maybe not!
Are you a long time coach or player! would it matter
Go play with Nestor and the ghost of Sam Gilbert
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
There is nothing but bias in this statement
“To me, this seems like a bad decision on Pete’s part. First, the comments seem to poison Mark’s draft stock. It is now out in the open that Mark’s own coach does not believe in him”
To answer your question
“how does publicly ripping Mark’s decision help anything at all?” First of all I think “ripping” is too harsh a term. If he called Mark a moron, or an idiot or something of that nature I would call it ripping. I would characterize Carroll’s comments as strong disagreement with Mark’s decision. That being clarified I will anser your question.
It helps all the players that are thinking about turning pro early. It reminds them that leaving early could be a mistake, and cautions them to consider all the information that is in front of them before making a very important career choice. If a player disregards information that is in front of him that points towards staying in school, then Pete has an obligation to the rest of his team to declare that he is going against the grain.
That is how it helps.
how does it help Mark if he’s already gone?
To answer that, it doesn’t help Mark. But I believe it doesn’t hurt him either. He is going to end up exactly where he would be picked regardless of Carroll’s comments.
In all honesty, you don’t think when a guy like Pete Carroll, the top dog of college football, makes a statement about a player not being ready/should not go to the pros yet, that the NFL higher-ups are listening/watching, thereby hurting Mark’s stock in the draft?
Yes I honestly believe that NFL scouts, and combines have a lot more to do with where a player is picked than Coach Carroll comments. There is no dissent in the NFL’s opinion of Mark, and Coach Carroll’s opinion of Mark. They both believe the same thing. So that being said. I don’t think what Carroll says about Mark leaving will hurt him at all.
Good Answer
I poked around a little bit because I usually like your in depth answers frak. This time was no different. Nice perspective.
No worries
I guess I can see your point. From a PR perspective, it probably wasn’t the smartest of moves. But I just don’t think this molehill is the mountain people are making it out to be. Mark went pro, and Pete doesn’t agree with his decision. I personally don’t think Carroll crossed any line.
Petey didn’t need to go infront of the media and air out the dirty laundry. He should keep his f@#$ing comments to himself about what the statistics are of him making it or not. Look at might Matt Leinart you think if they guy was still playing at SC this year he would be less likely to ride the bench next year. So what does that say about Matt Cassel? That guy kicked butt this year. The best thing Carroll can do is bite his tongue before his little out burst cost him future recruits.
Thanks Paragon that guy was to much!
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Jan 16, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Paragon, no need to ban these idiots
Let them spew their propaganda and hate speech all they want, we can see just how deprived they are when they show up like an asshole with their pants down to their ankles.
When i first heard about SBN blogs and bn i used to get quite peeved at the garbage that they wrote, then i realized that everything that they say about SC has no relevance outside their domain (i.e. the real world). Imagine the raging wet dreams they have of Pete as their head football coach, but instead they’re stuck with Slick Rick, everybody who follows college sports knows that nickname, obviously no need to explain here.
Pete Carroll has done more at SC in his 8 year tenure here than ucla’s entire history of playing football: 2 national champions, 3 heisman winners, 33 nflers, 6 bcs bowl victories I could go on and on but i know you , also take note of this amazing stat: Pete has led teams to 11+ wins 7 times, fucla’s entire history has a grand total of…….0 eleven-plus win seasons and the list goes on. Bitter much?
So fucla, focus on buying ads in the LA times we’ll focus on winning games.
As it usually is
I think the correct reaction to all of this lies somewhere in the middle of the two sides. I don’t think it was necessary for Carroll to express his thoughts on Sanchez leaving. He probably would have been better off saying, “Mark made the best decision for himself and I wish him the best of luck” and leaving it at that. At the same time though, he didn’t throw a tantrum as some have suggested and this isn’t something that’s going to haunt him for the rest of his career. Carroll probably didn’t handle the situation in the best way possible, but he also didn’t handle it in the worst way possible. It’s something that looks bad right now, but it’s not such a big deal that it will affect his program or anyone will remember this when they reflect on his career years from now. It’s a mistake, he and the program will move on just fine.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jan 16, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions
Really?
The other site that you write for would disagree with your statements. I think Carroll’s comments were spot on. He spoke the truth and now he is getting killed for it. He supported Sanchez all the way through but this is what PC is an expert at. he has been right more often than not when it comes to getting players into the draft.
Sanchez may make a lot of money, but he may realize his dream from the bench. I wish him well with no ill will.
There is no other coach with PC’s track record of getting players to the NFL…whats the goal? Make some money and play or just make some money.
only time will tell…
Oooo, a football post. Now I can comment
Despite wettest dreams of the kids in Nestor’s sandbox, this won’t hurt recruiting one bit.
How so?
Because if stuff like this did, then Nick Saban couldn’t sign any recruit.
The recent instability over the coaching changes, that has a bigger impact.
my outside opinion....
the real reason to not go now, is that he will be the first or second qb picked and end up on a crappy team and have to play right away, when what he needs (imo) is to be a back up on a good team for a couple of years. Coming out next year, he goes after the stupid teams have jizzed by picking bradford, mccoy, and tebow; he ends up on a good team and has a succesful career. Less $ at the outset, but make it up over time and with a higher chance of success.
Go Bears Go
Obviously you have it completely wrong
Pete Carroll is a horrible, awful, self centered, conceited jackass. There is no other possible explanation otherwise.
But really, just please Sanchez don’t end up on the lions.
by Laughing Stock on Jan 16, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
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