BlogPoll Ballot from week #1
The tough thing about the first week of the season is that we still don’t have a complete picture of just how good or bad some teams are. I am always reluctant to make any major changes. The only noticeable move I made within the top tier teams was moving USC and Oklahoma up one spot each while moving Ohio State down two spots. For some reason tOSU’s win over Youngstown State just didn’t feel like it was a "quality" win. I know, I know you could probably say the same thing about Georgia and Oklahoma. I mean almost everyone is playing a cupcake in their first game so what do we really see.
I am still not ready to anoint USC to the number one spot. That is probably more out of superstition than anything else. It is hard to argue against that this team could be very special if they continue play like they did on Saturday in Charrlottesville it was just that good.
Alabama makes big jump into the poll with a very convincing win against Clemson, to the point I dropped Clemson out the poll completely.
As for Tennessee, I have noted elsewhere that their game against ucla was not going to be slam dunk. Regardless, it was an ugly game. While I am not going to get into the "who's better the Pac-10 or the SEC" debate but I will say that it is very telling that the SEC has a very tough time winning on the road outside of the SEC. For their win ucla breaks into the poll...the question is how long they will be there?
Next week things will get a little more interesting and I will be a little more informative as to how my votes will go.
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Georgia | -- |
| 2 | Oklahoma | 1 |
| 3 | Southern Cal | 1 |
| 4 | Ohio State | 2 |
| 5 | Florida | -- |
| 6 | Missouri | -- |
| 7 | Texas | 1 |
| 8 | Auburn | 1 |
| 9 | LSU | 2 |
| 10 | West Virginia | -- |
| 11 | Oregon | 2 |
| 12 | Wisconsin | 2 |
| 13 | Texas Tech | 2 |
| 14 | Arizona State | 2 |
| 15 | Brigham Young | 4 |
| 16 | Alabama | 10 |
| 17 | South Florida | 1 |
| 18 | California | 4 |
| 19 | Kansas | 1 |
| 20 | Penn State | 3 |
| 21 | Fresno State | 4 |
| 22 | Wake Forest | 2 |
| 23 | South Carolina | 3 |
| 24 | Utah | 2 |
| 25 | UCLA | 1 |
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I beg to differ
I will say that it is very telling that the SEC has a very tough time winning on the road outside of the SEC.
I believe that is an overly broad statement based upon a single game, or even upon back-to-back season-opening losses by the Volunteers.
In the five years from 2003 to 2007 (not counting bowl games), Arizona lost road games to Purdue in 2003, Utah in 2005, L.S.U. in 2006, and B.Y.U. in 2007; Arizona State lost a road game to Iowa in 2003; Cal lost road or neutral site games to Kansas State and Utah in 2003 and Tennessee in 2006; Oregon lost road games to Utah in 2003 and Oklahoma in 2004; Oregon State lost road games to Fresno State in 2003, L.S.U. and Boise State in 2004, Louisville in 2005, Boise State in 2006, and Cincinnati in 2007; Stanford lost road games to Notre Dame in 2004 and San Jose State and Notre Dame in 2006; U.C.L.A. lost road games to Colorado and Oklahoma in 2003, Notre Dame in 2006, and Utah in 2007; Washington lost road or neutral site games to Ohio State in 2003, Notre Dame in 2004, Air Force in 2005, Oklahoma in 2006, and Hawaii in 2007; and Washington State lost road or neutral site games to Notre Dame in 2003, Colorado in 2004, Auburn in 2006, and Wisconsin in 2007.
Do those results mean the Pac-10 has a tough time winning on the road outside the Pac-10? Of course not; the Trojans’ recent results on the road against Arkansas, Auburn, and Nebraska are proof enough of that.
Winning on the road is tough, period. It’s tough in-conference, out-of-conference, in your home region, outside your home region, everywhere, all the time, whether it’s U.S.C. playing at Fresno State or at Virginia, or whether it’s Georgia playing at Arizona State or at Clemson. Monday night’s loss by the Volunteers (who won at U.C.L.A. in 1989 and 1997, by the way, much as L.S.U. won at Arizona in 2003 and at Arizona State in 2005) confirms that much, but it signifies little, if anything, more than that.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 3, 2008 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clarification....
I was speaking about the when the SEC plays the Pac 10 on the road…
From Ted Miller of ESPN:
The Pac-10 is now 10-6 versus the SEC and is 6-2 in games played on the West Coast since the BCS Era began in 1998.
An SEC fan who will not tip his cap to that is simply a big dummy.
That’s not an insult. It’s not an opinion. Those are not words colored by emotion.
It’s a statement of fact.
To not acknowledge and defer to the most fundamental measure we have as sports fans is to be either stupid of a full of it.
Home cookin’? You bet! But our guys as you pointed out aren’t afraid to go out on the road. Apologies, I should have been more clear. But while I don’t necessarily agree with Miller’s tone those numbers don’t lie.
One other thing that stands out from the list you complied above those are pretty much all D-1 schools that the Pac-10 traveled to play, not FCS programs that some programs play to pad the schedule with “easy” victories. That’s not singling out the SEC as the Big 10 and Big 12 do it as well.
I commend those SEC schools who are willing to get out on the road, out of the region to try to play solid opponents.
I just wish it would happen more often…
by Paragon SC on Sep 3, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
All fair points. Miller is right . . . the numbers are what they are. In straight-up meetings, the Pac-10 has gotten the better of the S.E.C. in recent years, which clearly, completely, and satisfactorily rebuts the claims of any and all yahoos in my neck of the woods who make absurd claims such as, "The Pac-10 doesn’t play defense!" and, "The Pac-10 is a finesse league!" and, "The Pac-10 doesn’t play real football!" Irrefutably, the Pac-10 can, and does, play with anyone in the country.
I would, however, offer the following points, not in rebuttal, but in clarification:
1. The S.E.C. historically has traveled less because the S.E.C. has had to travel less. Pac-10 teams’ options are limited as far as playing B.C.S. conference teams and quality mid-majors in their environs is concerned. The states of Arizona, Oregon, and Washington have no upper- or even medium-tier non-conference teams for the Pac-10 to play and the pickings are pretty slim in California, which boasts Fresno State as a legitimate non-conference contender and not much else. It is no accident that Boise State, Brigham Young, Fresno State, and Utah appear so frequently on Pac-10 slates; those really are the quality options for Pac-10 teams within their own region, so they have to travel more to play tougher teams. To their credit, they do this, but the S.E.C. states include such B.C.S. conference teams as Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami (Florida), and South Florida, all of which appear often on Southeastern Conference schedules. S.E.C. teams simply don’t have to travel as far to face legitimate non-conference teams. Obviously, such ancillary yet important matters as time-zone differentials and television contracts (both of which benefit the S.E.C. because the league plays almost all of its important games before a substantial T.V. audience in the afternoon or evening to earn maximum exposure) affect how much a team needs to travel to receive the attention it deserves.
2. As noted already, S.E.C. scheduling is improving. Tennessee and, more recently, L.S.U. have made habits of playing Pac-10 teams and Georgia has Arizona State on the slate this year and Oregon on the schedule farther down the road. Our out-of-conference scheduling is improving.
3. There is a limit to what we can tell about the quality of the respective conferences using the small sample size at our disposal. Many of the games between the two leagues have been mismatches. Bad Alabama and Mississippi State teams lost to West Coast opponents in the early 2000s, while Auburn and L.S.U. got to beat up on hapless Washington State and Arizona teams, respectively. Moreover, while there certainly have been some blowouts in both directions (e.g., Cal’s and Tennessee’s 2006 and 2007 clashes with one another, in which each team went on the road and was routed by the other), there also have been some nailbiters. L.S.U. and Oregon State went to overtime in 2004 and Tennessee and U.C.L.A. went to overtime on Monday night; because of the closeness of those contests, it is hard to say that either is evidence of the winner’s superiority, much less the winner’s conference as a whole. I went into some of these points in greater detail in an earlier posting.
4. Finally, it is only natural that the Pac-10’s travels outside its own region have involved treks to B.C.S. conference opponents or meaningful mid-majors; no one would expect a serious team from a major conference to play a Division I-AA team on the road. Although the Pac-10, as a conference, certainly schedules better from top to bottom than any other league, it isn’t as though Portland State hasn’t appeared on a few of the league’s home slates over the years.
That said, you’re right that the conference wars are mostly useless. All a given game means is that the winning team was better than the losing team on a particular given Saturday (or Monday). Extrapolating conference-wide conclusions from individual outings is a hazardous business, far too inexact to call a science, and it suffices to say that any particular team’s, league’s, or region’s claim to possession of a football monopoly is suspect. I think I read that in a newspaper somewhere.
(One interesting aside to all of this, incidentally, is the fact that you have my team ranked No. 1 and I have your team ranked No. 1. What were we arguing about, again?)
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 4, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How interesting that you have Cal higher than we do and USC lower than we do.
We must both be humble, humble people. I know I am!
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by TwistNHook on Sep 4, 2008 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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