My trip to the Rose Bowl on Saturday
So every year I hop in the car with a good bruin friend of mine and go watch a ucla game on a day that USC is not playing. This year it happened to be the Fresno game. I usually just wear my USC hat since I sit in the ucla donor section, and I don't really want to cause too much of a disturbance to people out there just trying to enjoy their day in what usually is a Trojan free environment. Usually I hear a few wisecracks about "being in the wrong stadium" and stuff like that, but today was a little different. Today I had to take my medicine from the crosstown rival since USC just melted down in Corvallis. Just because my team loses, doesn't mean my USC gear stays at home. I dress just like I always do, USC hat, and shirt, and headed to the Rose Bowl ready to hear the best the bruins had to throw at me.
I tail gated near tunnel 7 and had the pleasure of talking to a former bruin basketball player from 1978. He was a really nice guy and we had a nice conversation on how the Pac-10 was doing, and how our respective teams were doing this far into the season. To my suprise the only call outs I heard were "Oregon State" and "Beavers." For the most part people just kept their mouths shut , probably because ucla wasn't doing very well this season. Fresno State fans actually gave me more crap than the bruin fans which was a shock. When I got into the stadium there were only about a half a dozen more reminders of Thursday nights game. I responded to them by asking them how they enjoyed the BYU game, or asking them if they take their bruin gear off if their team loses. Most of the people who mouthed off weren't looking to have a discussion on the state of USC football vs. the state of ucla football though.
The worst I received was a bruin fan in front of me calling me a derogatory name. Some guy after ucla lost called me out on the Beavers, and I simply pointed to the scoreboard. Then he started in on how point spreads were more important than wins and losses. That made me chuckle a bit. The best comment of the day was directed at my brother and a buddy of mine. My brother and a friend of mine were also sporting their USC gear. The bruin fans sitting directly behind them stated, after recounting the whole Oregon State game, that they didn't care if they won or lost the Fresno game. All they cared about was that USC lost on Thursday. This made me crack a smile. It seems like those particular bruins were more concerned about our football team than theirs.
The game was a fun one to watch. The bruins could have easily won if they hadn't turned the ball over late in the 4th. Coach Rick Neuheisel addressed the remaining fans after the game over the P.A. He asked them to stay with the team. He said they were getting better every week, and that they were going to get a win for them soon. Funny how he said "a" win, instead of "some wins." I'm not sure if that appeal to the fans was a good or bad sign. On one hand it shows that he has the guts to address the fact that they are fielding an inferior product that is unacceptable to bruin fans. On the other hand it could be viewed as a desperate attempt to beg people to buy tickets. After advertising in the Fresno Bee to try to bring more of your opponent's fans to a game, it would seem that ticket begging isn't too far off the mark.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.
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Frak that is a great post
Wow that must have been fun, great comebacks on the Nestor boys. Funny thing is that the bball player can put behind the Sc —Bruin thing and have a good chat. Now if only the boys at Ruin nation could forget about SCs problems and look at their own.
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 29, 2008 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A majority of the fans on both sides are great
Do not expect the BN guys to change any time soon.
by frak on Sep 29, 2008 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t get a chance to see the game. Question for anybody. How many FSU fans were at the game? Did they out cheer the Ruins?
By the by, there is no hope for Nestor and the BN. Used to read occasionally but had a hard time figuring out if it was a Ruins site or just an anti USC site.
by Mrtravlear on Sep 29, 2008 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Answers to questions
1. I would say it was about 60-40 ucla fans outnumbering FSU fans. The cheering on both sides was about equal. The ucla fans filed out throughout the second half. I would say when Neuheisel addressed the fans on the non-pressbox side of the Rose Bowl, the stands were about 75% empty.
2. BN is a great site to read about ucla sports. When they get into the anti-USC stuff, its very biased, without much objectivity. There usually are two sides to every story. BN frequently ignores any side that may prove to be positive to USC.
by frak on Sep 29, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun at the Rose Bowl
Well, glad you had a good time, although I don’t wear my UCLA gear to the USC games I have been to when we’re not playing you guys. I went to the USC-ND game in 2001 in South Bend and just cheered for both teams to play to an injury-filled 43-42 shootout so I could enjoy the game. I still like the Rose Bowl as a venue over yours, although I do like the individual seats at the Mausoleum.
Re RN’s address to the crowd: I doubt seriously it’s an effort to stoke ticket sales. He addressed the crowd after the Tennessee game when no stoking was necessary. Rather, I think it’s simply RN’s PR campaign to get the fans behind a team with a lot of personnel problems that has been struggling. In fact, I don’t think this is RN consciously trying to sell UCLA football, but a reflection of his personality and his passion for UCLA. I still don’t know if he is the answer for UCLA at coach, only time will tell, but I am so much more optimistic about the prospects and just happier to have a coach in place who acts like he cares and actually tries to engage the fanbase. I am sure KD cared a great deal, but RN wears it on his sleeve. It’s quite a change-a good change-from the past regime.
by ucladj89 on Sep 30, 2008 7:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right about RN
In the wake of the Fresno Bee ad though, it has to make you wonder a little if hes getting pressured by Morgan center to aggressively sell ucla football. I think its a nice change from Dorrell’s style though.
by frak on Sep 30, 2008 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of coaches would hide
If anything, UCLA’s season is going worse than I would have expected, but full credit to Neuheisel for getting out in front of the fans and being honest about where things stand.
by DC Trojan on Sep 30, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than you expected?
UCLA was predicted to win anywhere between five and six games this year. They were unranked in the top 25, but fell somewhere in the low 40’s. Last year, they were predicted to finish third in the Pac-10 and challenge for first and started the season ranked.
UCLA is 1-3 with losses to BYU (ranked), Fresno State (ranked) and Arizona (the best Stoops team
fielded yet). We have Wassou, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, OSU, UW, ASU and you all. I don’t think it’s a long shot that UCLA can win four or five more games. It would be one thing if this was the year we had 20+ returning starters and even more seniors, and we were struggling this badly. Fact is, Coach Toledo’s Successor left the cupboard pretty bare. There’s no one to play O-line and he didn’t bother recruiting hardly anyone for the line last year.
I couldn’t be happier with Neuheisel, to be honest with you. He’s far humbler than he was at UW or Colorado and much wiser. I can’t wait until December 6th!
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 4, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DC is dead on here...
as it stands now, yes worse than expected. I saw Fresno first hand against Rutgers that team is beatable and the game against Rutgers was just ugly football.
Stoops?? lets see how the rest of year pans out for Arizona before we give Mikey too much credit.
Glad you’re happy about your coach I would expect nothing less…
by Paragon SC on Oct 4, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well SI before the season
had UCLA at 4-8, 0-3 nonconference.
Right now UCLA just needs to beat WSU, UW and Stanford to equal that.
by SuperBruinMan on Oct 4, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we go 1-2 against 3 ranked opponents
when we aren’t ranked … and that’s … bad? What’s this based on? What sterling pre-season observations have you & DC Trojan made about UCLA’s football team that leads you to believe they should be 5-0 or 4-1 at this point? To quote Brian Dohn, someone who’s been covering the Bruins in the Daily News for a little while, this is quite possibly the least skilled Bruins football team that’s been fielded in at least the last five years.
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 5, 2008 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
The Same Brian Dohn who is constantly criticized on the other site for not knowing what he is talking about or having an agenda?
That guy right? (I like Dohn, He answers my emails and is a decent person.)
All of sudden Dohn is credible? Sounds like cherry picking to me.
Expectations have been dumbed down to protect RN. No one expected ucla to be 5-0, but the manner in which you have lost (BYU and AZ) and won (Tenn.) shows little consistency especially on defense where you have the most talent. Walker has been living off of 13-9 for too long and 59-0 is complete embarrassment for some defensive guru that’s a part of some supposed dream team of coaches.
by Paragon SC on Oct 5, 2008 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Walker had to contend with quite a few short fields in that game due to the offense turning the ball over on 3 straight series.
by frak on Oct 5, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCLA was ranked
after beating tennessee. After the BYU game they lost their ranking.
by frak on Oct 5, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the humility in the monopoly ad
He was Mr. Humble in that one.
by frak on Oct 5, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had nothing to do with that stupid ad.
I like how we’re taking a shot at the 800 lb gorilla but I just wish UCLA would have WAITED until they had actually accomplished something. I would equal it to USC hiring an awesome basketball coach, and before a minute of basketball is played a similar ad is run – neverMIND the Bruins have 11 NC banners and USC had none, ’SC runs an ad calling out Bruins basketball. I thought UCLA calling out ’SC football was foolish at this time seeing as how the Bruins have 1 NC over half a century ago and ’SC has 12 or 13, depending on what poll you go by.
Rick Neuheisel being a classy guy, wouldn’t throw his own marketing/media department under the bus. I think it’s the same group who tried to get more Fresno State fans to attend a HOME game… so you just know they’ve got their act together.
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 5, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
and you know that how? Because Neuheisel said it? He’s never lied before right?…Like about interviewing for the SF job. Didn’t he lie about the office pool before he admitted it? Real stand up guy that Rick.
Lets see if that top-flight ucla education can help you find the answer to this one…why is it that a guy who has been censured by the NCAA and accused of rules violations at TWO Major programs, regardless of how small, gets the benefit of the doubt while a coach who has NO record of any wrong doing is vilified the way he is by most bruin fans?
Double standard? Jealous? Wanting for attention?…Take your pick.
Take that s—t elsewhere….RN Doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt here, Kind of like PC doesn’t get the benefit of a doubt over there.
As for hoops We have a great coach, he takes a few more risks than I like but he has been here for three years and SC still hasn’t run an ad like that…and probably never will. You can’t compare it to something that never happened, or more to the point…You can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.
by Paragon SC on Oct 5, 2008 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said so on ABC
In fact, they said that even Dan Guerrero hadn’t seen it before it was in the papers. Clearly UCLA’s marketing department isn’t full of geniuses (Example). I doubt Neuheisel has the time to run every marketing campaign.
As for Tim Floyd…
“We’re going to try to kick those guys’ (expletive) across town this year”
It may not be an ad in a newspaper, but it’s an awful lot more direct (and we all know who said it).
by SuperBruinMan on Oct 5, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it hard to believe
that RN had nothing to do with that ad. He was the featured person on the ad. I heard him answer a question about the ad saying that he had an overzealous PR department. If he was upset about it, or felt that he was misrepresented in someway, he sure isn’t trying to distance himself from it. I don’t think he came up with the idea, but I think at the very least he liked the ad. The man has an enormous ego, and that ad stroked it. Calling RN humble is like calling Al Davis sane.
As far as basketball is concerned, I remember bruin fans going nuts after Tim Floyd said his goal was to compete with programs like Arizona on the court and in recruiting. The bruins felt slighted by Floyd for not getting a mention. If that statement by Floyd was an insult to ucla’s basketball program, then you can understand why USC is amused by RN’s brash little monopoly ad.
by frak on Oct 5, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too
i saw a few people wearin USC hats n shirts and thought “maybe there here to root for fresno state.” and even though ucla lost,it was worth the 7 hour drive from reno nv. I thought it was pretty neat how RN came on told us to have faith in this team etc.
and frak is right, BN is a good site for ucla sports but they get carried away with the F Sc stuff.
by Jeodude on Sep 30, 2008 5:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats dedication
7 hour drive to watch the bruins in a rebuilding year. Here’s some words of encouragement. Back when Paul Hackett was our coach, during one of his many Pac-10 meltdown games, I turned to my friend and said that I would just like us to win 1 national title in my adult life. 4 years later, we won a title, and it didn’t seem at all possible back when I made that statement. Maybe this is the year everyone at ucla will turn to and look at as the beginning of a long climb up the hill from mediocrity to competitive.
by frak on Oct 1, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UCLA has all the components to be a competitor
It’s just going to take some time. Hell, if Oregon State can win, why can’t UCLA
The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs
by The VD Special on Oct 2, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I don’t know if UCLA has all the components (right now) to compete… As frak alluded, I think the best case scenario calls for a 3-5 year turn around. The talent pool at UCLA is really shallow. There are quite a few bright spots on the horizon. As long as the new coaching staff picks up the recruiting, Bruins should be fine. A potential stumbling block might be if Dwayne Walker leaves, since he’s a pretty effective recruiter. Of course, with the troubles the UCLA has been having as of late, he might not get that head coach position he wants….
by impaulv on Oct 6, 2008 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impaulv
Read your reply in OJs last words and I got that you were saying to poster that not cool putting PC in Statement. Buy as you can see you really got some stange people in BN, but at least you have alot of class, because it loked to me they were calling you out.
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 8, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
well that one way of looking at it…
by Paragon SC on Oct 8, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sad that people joke about 2 brutal murders
Seems that the human element of this story got murdered along with Nicole and Ron. I find it pretty disgusting that there are people over in Westwood that find any type of humor in the whole Simpson case.
by frak on Oct 8, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find no humor in murder or bastardizing cinema to make fun of OJ. That said, I find it appropriate to mock OJ (if nothing else, but for his stupidity). If they were just making fun of his latest escapade, I would have been much more okay with it although I still would have objected to the misuse of a great soliloquy to mock a lowlife like OJ…
Does OJ reflect a bit on USC? I think so in that he’s still embraced by some around the school and the program, but come on, it’s not like USC is the one committing the crimes. I’ve always thought USC would do well to repudiate OJ but I guess I can kinda see why Heritage Hall (or whatever it’s called… sorry, only been there once for a UCLA/USC flag football game) wouldn’t want to. But that’s probably a whole other conversation…
by impaulv on Oct 8, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I was typing in the dark I guess I should have turned on the light. But yes OJ is a very stupid man and who really cares who he played for. Now he will play for Nevada Penal, I here they got a hell on a running game.
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
give it a rest...
SC WILL NOT repudiate OJ for his actions off the field…30+ years after he left SC. He is an integral part of their football heritage.
Baseball won’t repudiate Ty Cobb for his racist views because it nothing to do with his play on the field and it has been duly noted that regardless of his incredible achievements he was a despicable human being. It didn’t happen at SC, it nothing to do with SC.
Rational people can see the difference without actually supporting OJ. Then there are who light their hair on fire over it because they think they have some moral high ground.
Please…
by Paragon SC on Oct 9, 2008 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that there was one guy sitting in the row in front of me last week at the game who thought it was hilarious that he was wearing an OJ Simpson jersey (with Simpson’s name crafted on to the back for those who both can’t grasp the obvious and haven’t paid attention to the lack of a name on the back of an SC jersey).
A very small part of me wanted us to lose that game just so that guy would have a shitty day.
by socaljml on Oct 9, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect your opinion
but I totally disagree with it. There is a certain glee that the folks over there get from ripping on OJ and his connection with USC. There is no regard at all for the 2 people that were murdered. They are more concerned with sticking it to USC and Trojan fans than they are with the fact that 2 people are dead. Its inappropriate, and in bad taste.
by frak on Oct 9, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read your latest post
I say you fit right in with B(M)N
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 9, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was called crazy
i was talkin to a fresno state fan and told him me, my brother, and cousin drove 7 hours for that game. his respnose was that we were crazy and that he came for the beer and the women. I told my brother and cousin that we’re flyin next year. no more driving 7 hours.
by Jeodude on Oct 2, 2008 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Today is the first day I've read frak's fanpost
And what a doozy it’s been.
The only thing I wanna write is, “Paragon. . . . you are THE MAN”.
That’s it.
"Surround yourself with people who can't live without football" - 1st tenet of 3 for Bear Bryant's 3 Rules of Coaching . . . . .
by BixBeiderbecke on Oct 9, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs













