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USC falls to Oregon State...AGAIN!

 

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I don’t have any answers…and I am totally perplexed.

I simply can’t and won’t accept the whole Pac-10 familiarity argument.

Not with this talent.

Not with all this talk about being prepared and practicing well.

I can’t accept how great everyone thinks this team is with the effort that I saw tonight. Once again we let a no name team with no expectations in the eyes of many get the better of us. I can’t wait to hear the reasoning about this performance.

I have a hard time understanding how SC has all this talent yet they can’t get up for this game or the coaches who can’t scheme against this OSU team. I mean come on Oregon St. lost to Stanford and got pounded by PSU. Props to them for the win but this isn’t about them its about USC so I really couldn’t care less how OSU does this season.

1st half, absolutely terrible…too many issues to go through so why bother. The 2nd half was great for a while as SC really put some good drives together but then they just lost the momentum.

Just a few things that stand out…

SC gets a blocked FG but they couldn’t do anything with it.

80+ yards in penalties.

Poor field position due to some lucky rolls on the punts.

Lucky tip in the end zone for a TD that should have been an INT.

Fumble by McKnight that led to that tipped ball/TD.

I have absolutely no idea what the hell the coaches were thinking about with all the cute plays. I mean can we finally dump the direct snap to the TB! You supposedly have this great QB in Sanchez and all these great backs and you want to get cute? How about some smash mouth football! The O line looked like we thought they would look in the game against UVA…against a team that REPLACED THEIR WHOLE FRONT 7 ON DEFENSE!

Yes, SC played a lot better in the 2nd half, but not by much, where was that in the 1st half? I can see where SC needed to see what OSU was going to come out with their typical "bend don’t break" defense but once they saw what OSU was going to do the adjustments took too long to materialize in the first half. I love Joe McKnight but I have a hard time understanding why Sark didn’t use the other backs more to pound the ball. McKnight’s juking and jivin’ just doesn’t do anything when you are having a tough time moving the ball like SC did in the first half.

I know their TB is a small guy and tough to hang onto but that had to be some of the WORST tackling I have seen in a long time…just pathetic!

So, PC needs to get back to work and fix the problems with the O line. They need to dump the cute plays and focus on what they did in the first two games where SC was so dominant.

I will have more tomorrow.

Feel free to light it up!

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Sorry I already posted another entry ...

I couldn’t help it — I just had to vent. But you’re absolutely correct Paragon — there is no excuse at all for this. None. You’d of thought that Carroll and the staff would’ve learned their lesson last season. Nope. The Trojans were completely unprepared … I phoned a friend in Alabama early in the first quarter and said, “This game has Stanford written all over it.” Just a poor, poor effort. I’m just disgusted … I don’t know what else to say.
Two years in a row!!!! We’ve lost two years in a row to teams that were/are really, really, really bad football teams. We didn’t lose to Cal, we didn’t lose to Ohio St., we lost to Stanford and Oregon St. — no offense to either team, but they’re awful.
I’m just stunned. I can’t believe it. I really can’t. I don’t care if we go on to win 10 national championships, Pete Carroll will forever be remembered for losing two games to horrible teams. It’s like losing to Sacramento St. and Humboldt. Damn.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Sep 25, 2008 9:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I learned this much

One good quarter and one good two minute drive of football aren’t enough to win the game.

As for what the rest of the season looks like, who knows? I think I’ve written this more than once, but perhaps this will get their attention for 8 of the remaining 9 games (I’m allowing for one more bizarre loss).

I’ll be curious to see what the breakdown is on the run-blocking that Oregon State was doing, in the same sense that I’ll be interested to see an assessment of why SC couldn’t run block consistently. Or keep the pocket intact. I guess speed really does kill.

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is a bad loss but...

Let’s try to keep things in perspective as it is only one loss. Yes, there is no good reson why USC should have lost this game, but the season is just beginning. I think this year will be a lot like last year wear a lot of teams lose multiple games and lose to teams they should not lose to. If USC can rebound from this loss then they can still have a great year, but they need to stay motivated and keep their eyes on the prize.

by Laughing Stock on Sep 25, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is ...

“the prize” is probably out of the question now. Look, it isn’t so much that SC lost. I can handle a loss. It’s that they came out unprepared and lazy against a team they should’ve dominated. That’s what pisses me off the most. Lose to a team that’s in the top 25 … ok. It happens. But lose two years in a row to teams that you were expected to beat by 20 points plus??!! No excuse.
I know the point spreads mean nothing. However, they’re not set by accident. They’re set by people who make lots of money trying to get people to bet both sides of a game. And they thought SC was 25 points better than OSU. And you know what? They’re right. USC with the proper mindset and attitude beats the Beavers easy. If they play this game 100 times, SC dominates 99. But Coach Carroll failed once again to prepare his team to play EVERY game like it’s the Rose Bowl. There’s no excuse, there really isn’t.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Sep 25, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

This is no different from the Stanford/OSU losses the last two seasons. Overconfident team gets punched in the mouth. Yet the last week of the season each time the Trojans are in the hunt for the big game.

The question is whether another Pac-10 team takes them down. That will be the end.

by BearsNecessity on Sep 25, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no you don't

Don’t try that reverse Cal juju over here ; )

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way man

I thought USC was over last season. I’m not about to get burnt again. I’ll believe their demise when I see it.

by BearsNecessity on Sep 25, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, an empiricist

That’s what happens when you go to a college full of all those Nobel Laureates, I suspect.

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, we’ve got little else to prop ourselves … you know, since we’re not “First to 100” or anything.

Go Bears!

by SoCal Oski on Sep 26, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's part motivation, part play calling..

Outside view here.. Penn State fan.

The USC front four were nowhere to be found on defense. They should have been all over Moevao the few times he set back to pass, but there were times when he had all day, and the USC pass rush just seemed to quit.

Play-calling.. well, I never understood why Carroll never seems to want to pound the ball with McKnight, Gable, & Co. The o-line is in place to do it, and all of your tailbacks are homerun hitters.. I mean.. so what if you get stuffed a couple of times.. If USC ran the ball 40-50 times a game I’d imagine there would probably be at least 3 40+ yard TD runs.

And the drive with just under 4 minutes left.. OSU wasn’t blitzing.. They hadn’t blitzed much all game.. They were dropping the farm, and just like against Stanford last year you got a QB dropping back and trying to bomb down the middle of the field against 7/8 men in 2-3 deep coverage.. You are asking for INTS in that situation. How about a screen? How about a draw? Flanker screen? Toss sweep? Drag? Crossing routes? Quick hitches.. I’ve never seen much ingenuity from the USC offense.. Just a prototypical NFL style west coast offense.

USC definitely still has a shot at the national title but..

the SEC champion is ahead of the Trojans regardless…
a Big 12 undefeated team would get the nod.
and an undefeated Penn State team from the Big 10 would be ahead of USC if for no other reason than their outright demolition of the OSU team that beat you guys tonight.

by dyehardfan on Sep 25, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair questions all

I get the impression that they were so frustrated about J Rodgers that they spent most of the game keying in on him. There was pressure on Moevao at points, but not consistently.

I was wondering where Havili was tonight. Blocking, one hopes.

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh...

I will worry about that once I see how we do against Oregon. Rose Bowl is fine with me.

by Paragon SC on Sep 25, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious Paragon ...

do you not fault Carroll at all for this? I’m not trying to be dramatic, but I saw a team poorly prepared. I just really think that losing two years in a row to teams that were 20/30 point dogs … the embarassment from that cannot be overstated.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Sep 25, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the one hand

The game planning wasn’t working all that well – that’s on the coaches. But there was some poor play as well. It was a team effort, I think.

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all Honesty

Maybe its Carroll’s fault we lost, but basically it is also Carrol’s “fault” that USC has had so much success. I’m not happy with how this game turned out (I didn’t even get to watch, I was busy at work), but as long as USC continues to put up double digits in the W column and gets to a BCS bowl then I will be fine with an embarrassing loss here and there. Last season seemed dreadful at times, but it turned out being a great season anyways. I don’t see why this season will be any different.

by Laughing Stock on Sep 25, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that's just it

There was talk on this very blog about not getting carried away over the first two games, and the same point applies here.

Is it irritating that the same thing happens every season? Yes. Does it mean this season is going to suck for SC? That’s too much to conclude.

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still in the hunt....

It would take a freakin miracle for SC to get back in the NC title hunt. You just lost to OSU and it wasn’t even close until the end of the 3rd quarter. Im not trying to pour salt on your wounds but lets be realistic. SC should drop to at least the #15 spot, if not worse. Als, i look at the rest of your schedule…..What wins will be so impressive that you will jump other teams that didn’t lose a game like this? I don’t see one. There will not be a two loss SEC team or a two loss Big 12 team. Not this year. Someone from those two conferences and perhaps a team from the Big Televen will go undefeated and at worse 11-1. That would leave SC on the outside looking in. It would just take a monumental collapse to get SC back into the top 3.

I feel for SC fans today. I really do. Bama lost to ULM last year and thats as embarrassing as you get. You guys have all the talent in the world but last night was the perfect storm. OSU’s O-line played out their minds and the SC defense looked slow. There is no way to explain something like this. Its just why you play the game!

Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out alive.

by bammer on Sep 26, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is on Pete Carroll

"I have a hard time understanding how SC has all this talent yet they can’t get up for this game or the coaches who can’t scheme against this OSU team. I mean come on Oregon St. lost to Stanford and got pounded by PSU. "

You have a great question, and I will give you the answer; Pete Carroll.

The guy is a very jolly, fun loving, amiable guy. He’s a terrific recruiter. He’s doing a great job trying to help kids in the inner cities. He’s also probably a wonderful husband and father.

But he is not, and never has been a good head football coach. He is a very good assistant coach, but in all of his head coaching stints, from the Jets to the Patriots to the 49ers to SC, he has terrific success for a time, but then his shortcomings begin to be exposed. Here at SC, he has had the most success, but the previous championships against Oklahoma and (I forget who they beat that one year) had a lot more to do with his assistant coaches than him.

I just hope the team can continue to have the success they have had, I’m also a New England Patriot fan, and I can tell you he ruined our team. We were so relieved when he left that he couldn’t leave fast enough. He means well, but he is not a head football coach.

In my opinion the only way SC can win another National Championship is if he finds better assistant coaches who can cover for his weaknesses. Unfortunately, Sarkisian is not one of those assistants.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Sep 25, 2008 10:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've accepted

That a Pete Carroll coached team will lose a game on the road to an overmatched Pac-10 team. It is what it is. Means that PC will never win another NC again, being happy with 11-2 seasons.

I know a lot of people are calling for Sark’s head, but I’m not sure how much is Sark’s fault. I have no idea what goes on in the locker room or during game-week, but year after year there is a tendency to show, well, tendencies and force plays. Pac-10 coaches make us pay, and Riley owns Pete.

That awful, just awful call in the 2nd quarter — 2nd and 7 — a direct snap to McKnight, who fumbles, that was the game. I still wonder, is that Sark, or is that Pete, making sure McKnight is happy? I’m starting to think it’s Pete.

I agree with DC Trojan. Poor game plan, but poor play as well. Fili was abused. Still, I think if Sark would have committed earlier to pounding Stafon, especially in the 2nd quarter, we would have scored on that drive, and it would have been a 14-7 game, rather than 21-0.

by Zoulou on Sep 25, 2008 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple of other thoughts and then i'm done

Notice that after SC defeated Ohio State there was a lot of talk about going undefeated, about wondering if anybody could even get close, but then there was big BUT moment. I heard one or more college football analysts saying don’t get too hyped over SC. Why? Because, they said, Pete Carroll teams have a history of getting too cocky, overconfident, and careless. Voila tonight’s game!

Let’s be honest here. If, say, Urban Meyer, Rocky Mendenhall (BYU head coach), or Nick Saban had the kind of talent Carroll has here, what do you think the final score would have been tonight? Yeah, that’s right, USC 42 OSU 10. They are head coaches, and they make sure their teams are ready to play.

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Sep 25, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pete is who (N.E. fans) thought he is

Excellent talent evaluator, best recruiter in the nation. Created an absolute monster of a program, but if the game it comes down to game day strategy and quick adjustments, he will be outcoached. Not always, but he good at least for one choke job a year.

by Zoulou on Sep 25, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if I'd go that far

The Gators got held for most of the game by Miami, for instance.

I’m reminded of a quote from a French soccer player about why a team that he was on lost to one that was inferior on paper: “Sometimes the ball turns its back on you.”

by DC Trojan on Sep 25, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Win for the Beavers.

I have never seen a team kick USC’s ass as bad in the Pete Carroll era as it did in the first half 21-0 oh my! OregSU should definitely be proud of knocking off the number one team in the country. They played like a team with reckless abandon and they knew that they had nothing to lose it showed as they played their hearts out and left it all on the field.

That being said tonight’s loss is absolutely inexcusable, in no way should we have lost to a 1-2 team and let that true freshman run circles around our supposed number one defense. You can make excuses about our players being injured and what not but we do have one of the if not THE deepest roster in the country with 5-6 definite future first round picks there should be no reason we can’t fill in the holes and play at a high level. Sometimes it makes you wonder if it is the players fault for not playing up to their level or if it’s the coaches fault for not preparing them mentally and getting their minds out of complacency.

I LOVE Pete Carroll but why does he have to torture us so with these losses to pisspoor teams (sorry to OregSU fans but it had to be said) almost every year. One week we’re riding high and it seems like we’re invincible but then we fall flat on our faces.

From two weeks ago we were at the highest high and now we are at the lowest low. The only thing to do and WILL do is to look forward to next week against Oregon and show the country that we deserve to be one of the best teams in the country and that we are still a legitimate shot at the BCS championship game.

Tough loss, we will recover, OREGON PREPARE TO BE ROCKED!!

by sharpie20 on Sep 25, 2008 11:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this game

im mad.
we played awful.
thats all i can say.
no one came to play.
we better win out, or im done.
why do we always lose to crappy teams??
Osu isnt good.
We’re USC.
We have the Dynasty.
We’re number 1 in the land, and we play like a division 8 team.
Sark called awful plays,
and nick holt,
fix our pisspoor defense.
A high school team could have ran through those holes.

by dizzleboy 9 on Sep 25, 2008 11:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To answer both sharpie and dizzle ...

the reason we “always lose to crappy teams” is (and I’m assuming you mean Stanford and OSU) is because the coaching staff did not prepare this team to win on both occasions. These are young men in their teens and early twenties … they have to be reminded over and over and over and over again that they cannot just “show up” and expect to win. They have to play hard every down against every opponent.
No offense to Stanford and OSU, but USC is/was stronger, faster, quicker, and just all-around better athletically at every position. Then how does USC lose?? By assuming that they don’t have to play hard … and Stanford and OSU both came out emotionally and psychologically ready to play and beat … our … ass … bad.
And, IMO, that’s coaching. Period. You can spin it anyway you want, but in both games, USC was not prepared mentally to play the football game and they were beaten by teams vastly inferior in talent. I know this is just football — not nearly important as “real life” — but there is absolutely no excuse for what we saw vs. Stanford and OSU. No excuse. Because at the very least — the very least — the team should be mentally prepared to play every week. And there’s no way you can tell me they were ready to play last night.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Sep 26, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a Bad ONE

Well tonight we turned into SouthCentral HS I mean that was was was wronggg man totally a waste of my time. and I had to call USC a HS because we played LIKE WESTWOOD HS so I will be fair. Now it would just be dandy if we could win out, but they have to step onto the feild of battle and be ready or could end up 2-10.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 26, 2008 6:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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If you notice I am riding up hill and kind of tough one with my ex behide me on a 100mile ride in Solvang area. This were you find out if you have enough to bring it something the USC football team DID NOT HAVE PERIOD

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Sep 26, 2008 6:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am so fucking over Joe McKnight

I think he needs to be benched or used less. Sarkisian is too in love with McKnight but the production just doesn’t match the performance or expectations. How many times in the last two years have we been burned by Sark getting too cute with McKnight when either Stafon or CJ was gashing the opposing team? McKnight gets flustered far too easily and really should not have been back out there with his confidence as low as it was.

The Beavers were not stopping Stafon on the ground. On one drive we ran it with him twice up the middle for good gains and then pulled him for McKnight and some stupid drive killing play. Stafon’s numbers would look even better if not for two holding penalties.

I’ve never gotten into the whole “who should be our TB” thing before, but I think going forward that McKnight’s role needs to be reduced. He’s not Reggie Bush, he won’t BE Reggie Bush and frankly every team in the Pac 10 knows how to stop Reggie Bush plays now and since McKnight doesn’t have that something extra they’re going to be all over him.

And if I ever see another direct snap to McKnight I’m going to kill Sark myself.

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 26, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I should note that I don't think this game is all on the O at all

OSU ran the same two fucking plays on offense most of the night for huge yards. How does 5’8" James Rodgers consistently block Everson Griffen with that stupid motion shit?

The defense was embarrassed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen our D get this embarrassed in the PC era.

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 26, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slightly different take

Remember how long it took for the coaching staff to admit that, in 2005, they couldn’t use Bush as an every-down back when SC was playing a fast defense? The net result was that they kept trying to run him round the edges etc., and he kept getting leveled. IIRC, the Cal game in 2005 was a clear break from that when they just ran LenDale White at the Bears until SC won.

Point being, there’s a time and a place for McKnight, but against a fast defense – which is what OSU was playing last night – is not it. You’re quite right that they should have put Stafon Johnson out there – and where was Bradford, for that matter?

by DC Trojan on Sep 26, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They put Bradford in for one play

and then threw it to him, which isn’t exactly Bradford’s strength.

The only time I felt good about the play calling was when I said they should run Stafon and they did for two straight plays before imploding again.

The average NCAA video game player would’ve adjusted better than Sark did.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Sep 26, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont get the craze over Joe McKnight either. Granted Im an LSU fan and am bitter about talent leaving the state, but I think Im not too too biased on this. First of all. The guy doesnt scare me. As a possible opponent, I’d be more worried about your other backs and your Oline than McKnight. He can jump side to side pretty well, but he doesnt have the acceleration coming out of the cuts or the top end speed to be lethal. (Reggie was lethal and scared the crap out of me.) JM’s big runs seem to be the result of big holes and good blocking on the second level. The guy is good, but I would not say he is one of the top ten backs in college football right now, and I doubt he will ever be better than #6 or #7.

SC should be lobbying more than anyone for a plus one structure. As long as these random losses keep plaguing you guys, the current structure will be to your detriment.

by nepomo on Sep 26, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least I wasn't able to watch the game

I was working a swing shift at the ER…I only kept up over the internet during breaks. I was so depressed, I couldn’t even concentrate after halftime…Worst part about the whole thing…I live in Portland!

College Football Doghouse warden: Why are you here?

Me: I got kicked in the nuts by a 5-7 beaver.

by premthegrem on Sep 26, 2008 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It could be worse

You could live in Corvallis, where as I understand it, the escalator in the stadium is the only one in town.*

*This claim is made by my brother, who as an Oregon alum isn’t entirely well disposed to the Beavers.

by DC Trojan on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes!

“I live in Portland!”

Great gobs of puppy poo!

Don't blow it boys!

by Mr W on Sep 26, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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