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Neuheisel Responds…Norton holds his ground

You would have to be walking around blind without a cane to not see how something like this was bound to happen. Slick Rick has a lot of expectations to live up to, even if those expectations have been dumbed down by the clowns from across town to protect the prodigal son.

Neuheisel has always been about making a splash and trying to pry Norton away from USC is just the sort of thing that he would love to make a splash with. I get it and I am fine with it. That its how he is wired and you can’t change that. If Norton wanted to go back to ucla could anyone really blame him? The heartstrings can be pulled pretty hard sometimes. As far as I am concerned if it’s within the rules its fair game but that doesn’t mean anyone has to like it. Negative recruiting is as old as the game is so it does not surprise me that things like this happen.

But if Neuheisel lied is anyone really surprised? This is a pattern that has been well documented in the past.

So, of course Slick Rick responds saying he never did it...

“In response to comments made by USC assistant football coach Ken Norton, let me say that I have an outstanding defensive coordinator in DeWayne Walker. He has done a great job for us and I hope he stays at UCLA for many years. However, if he has the opportunity to become a head coach, I know he would do a fine job and I would support him in any way possible.

“That being said, I was sorry to read the comments Kenny made in the Los Angeles Times. I have not told any recruits that if DeWayne left, Kenny would be the defensive coordinator at UCLA and neither have my assistant coaches. Despite the fact that Kenny is a great Bruin, we have more than enough positives at UCLA to interest recruits and convince them that this is the school at which they can flourish both academically and athletically.

“There has been a lot of speculation about Kenny’s return to UCLA in the media and on the internet, and perhaps that has confused people about who has said what.  If DeWayne leaves, I would consider several candidates for the defensive coordinator job. Kenny probably would have been among those considered, with no guarantees. However, his quotes in the paper say he is staying at USC, so we wish him well.”

The problem here is that if he is lying, he is lying about a guy with a pretty good track record when it comes to character. I have no doubt that Norton’s dream is to one day be a/the coach at ucla but I am pretty sure that this isn’t the way that he would go about it. Norton is not an idiot, he knows that Walker is in place and until he takes a job elsewhere its logical that Norton would be THE name in play. But until Walker is officially gone Norton realizes that he a responsibility to his current employer no matter how bad he wants the ucla job. I don't buy Neuheisel's line about "considering other candidates" for the DC job. This is guy Slick Rick wants if for no other reason than to poke USC in the eye...that's his M.O., always has been always will be.

Norton, once again taking the high road, stood his ground.

After practice Monday, Norton said he couldn't discuss Neuheisel's response that neither he nor his coaches had said such a thing "until I see it.''

But Norton did add that "You guys have been with me a few years and (you know) I'm not going to make something up . . . I just wanted to make it clear that I'm here and I'm recruiting here.''

Asked if that eliminated the possibility, as has been widely rumored, that he'd be the logical successor to Walker, Norton again said he wouldn't, or couldn't, answer.

"There's no job open,'' he said, Nor has there been any talk "nor has one been offered.''

But if there were an open job and it was offered, would he consider it?

"No comment,'' Norton said although Neuheisel's statement seemed to pointedly note that "Kenny probably would have been among those considered'' should Walker leave, but that "his his quotes . . . say he is staying at USC, so we wish him well."

Of course he would consider the job. Again, Norton isn't dumb, its a step up and it's at his alma mater, who wouldn't jump at that chance? But he isn't crazy enough to put that out there while still in Rose Bowl Prep. Norton is a winner and Slick RIck wishes he could have sniffed Norton's accomplishments let alone lived them himself. Neuheisel, has a quality coach in Walker who looks to be on his way out so ever the opportunist Neuheisel wants to kill two birds with one stone...he wants to get a coach that has name recognition, solid recruting contacts and a strong work effort while also poking SC in the eye to try and break that monopoly. It's lotto if he can pull it off...

But, it looks like he may lose both.

Wolf has an interesting time line to how we got to this point.

Regardless, to me the rivalry is fun again and it will test the mettle of both programs. A better ucla is important to us just like a better Notre Dame is. Getting Presely is good get for Slick Rick but with the so called dream team about to be broken up he needs another angle to use to sell recruits on the merits of ucla football.

Good luck with that...

The funny thing about all this is that the clowns from across town seem to think that Slick Rick "schooled" Norton.

Think about that for a moment...

Pete Carroll has just gone about his business in building USC football program. He hasn't had to pull stunts with other schools coaches, there is no evidence that he has ever lied to recruits and he has never made bold statements about what direction he plans to take the football program. His coaches have followed his example of staying focused and staying on message. It seem like Neuheisel has a bunch of different messages he has thrown out there.

Neuheisel may have the "Dream Team" but if you look carefully the personallities of those coaches do not fit his style. Slick Rick had little responsibilty in Baltimore as Billick called the plays so now is his time to shine and he will do or say anything to get his share of attention. Walker and Chow are simply worker bees in how they go about their business. Walker heading out on his for his own head coaching gig can be read a number of differnt ways. Chow is a freebie with Tennessee paying most of the freight and when that gravy train ends it would not surprise me if he moved on.

Neuheisel has some capital that he can use but not much...if he doesn't get results soon he may revert back to his old ways in order to get the results he so desparately needs.

This story is far from over...

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Speculation abounds

Weird story line, weirder excuses. The best thing about this brouhaha is that Coach Norton will probably NEVER work for Coach Neu. That’s about as good as this story gets.

I said last year that the Holy Triumvirate of Coaching Ninjas won’t last past 2 years, and this seems to be coming true. Even better, Coach Neu is gonna have to find some coaches that aren’t former USC coaches to piece together any semblance of getting a piece of the LA-football pie.

As far as the general consensus is concerned. The Monopoly is still pretty much intact. We’re playing in our 5th Rose Bowl, fUcla are playing Guitar Hero this holiday season. Doesn’t get much better than that.

"I was INVERTED!" -Maverick in Top Gun

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 30, 2008 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

All I can say

is that I believe Norton. I believe that he believes that a representative of ucla was misrepresenting him.

I’m still willing to give Neu the benefit of the doubt because of his denial, but all it takes is for one recruit to blow a hole wide open in Neuheisel’s story.

I don’t see how this can be spun in any way that is good for Neuheisel or ucla. Here you have a respected coach, alum, and player, accusing your head coach, and staff of misrepresenting him in recruiting visits. This story has hit the national news circuit, and with Neuheisel’s reputation, I don’t see how anyone would question Norton’s honesty.

by frak on Dec 30, 2008 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

I hear you frak

It’s my contention that a recruit or some recruits did, in fact, get their stories straight AND Coach Neu or one or more of his assistants spoke of Coach Norton’s impending arrival. With Coach Neu’s blessing. (I cannot put that past him, he is- afterall- Coach Neuheisel. THE Coach Neuheisel) This was done under the “once a Bruin, always a Bruin” nudge-nudge, wink-wink, special handshake type deal- “thinking” that Coach Norton “wouldn’t mind one bit” (nudge-nudge, wink-wink).

But Coach Norton is first and foremost a man of integrity with professional attitudes toward employer and boss. Once he IS off the ’SC payroll and on Ucla staff, he will be the exact same for them.

Coach Neu and his staff dug their own hole, and because of Coach Neu’s law background- he knows this will flutter away in the press as “recruit vs. the legal dept at fUcla” and . . . . .that will be the end of that. (as far as Coach Neu is concerned)

He’ll get away with this, I’m sure. And Bruin fans across the country will be able to say to everyone “told you so, Coach Neu would be stupid to do something like that.” But in reality, it will become “he got a way with this by the skin of his teeth” in the real public perception. He’s pushing the enveleope, AGAIN.

He’ll get caught up in something. This is certain. A zebra cannot change it’s stripes. It cannot. Nor can Coach Neu.

"I was INVERTED!" -Maverick in Top Gun

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 30, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

Negative recruiting is nothing new

Its also not illegal. Is it ethical? Probably not, but nowhere does it say that you can’t lie to a recruit. I agree with Coach Carroll. How you recruit says a lot about you. If negative recruiting is the path that RN has to take to get his program back on its feet, then it may be a necessary evil. This situation though throws his honesty into question again, so I think its going to hurt him more than help him in the long run.

by frak on Dec 30, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

I think that it is interesting over on BN

How they have reacted to Norton’s comments on this whole issue. I find it hard to believe that Ken Norton is the only bruin out there who is not particularly happy about Neuheisal’s hire, but they act like he is some sort of traitor or something.

by Laughing Stock on Dec 30, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

We have always been at war with Eurasia

Weren’t they calling the possible combination of Chow and Walker “Choker” until Neuheisel hired them, whereupon they became the assistant coaching brain trust?

Norton may be a traitor now, but I imagine that if he were to work for UCLA, the faithful would manage to come around to the idea.

by DC Trojan on Dec 30, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The BN at work

It’s hilarious that they claim Coach Neu has “schooled” Coach Norton in re-butting the claim that anyone on the Ucla staff did not do as Coach Norton has alleged. But the fact remains, as ucladj has pointed out on the original thread of this brouhaha- there could be dishonesty, could be misunderstanding, could be erroneous remarks as to what was said where and when. . . .and to that end, Coach Neuheisel AND Ucla have not acknowledged the accusation DID in fact take place, they have only halfway acknowledged that “we have more than enough positives at UCLA to interest recruits and convince them that this is the school at which they can flourish both academically and athletically.”

Some schooling. Now, if the fUcla legal department really want to school Coach Norton, they’d file paperwork for libel or whatever. Now THAT would be a schooling.

Spin. Divide and conquer. PR-aikido. Whatever it takes to keep the faith.

Luckily, we’ve got COACHES. Doing it better than it’s ever been done before. Winning forever.

Fight On!

"I was INVERTED!" -Maverick in Top Gun

by BixBeiderbecke on Dec 30, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d be curious to know what the actual general Bruin population thinks of this whole incident. Unfortunately,we will never know since BN is moderated as such.

Original post: X happened. Clearly this is Trojan scum and Chetey Pete’s fault.

Post # 2: I agree

Post #3: I also agree.

Post #4: I separate myself by agreeing more vehemently than the above two posters.

Post#5-64: The exact same posts.

Scintillating discussions over there.

by socaljml on Dec 30, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It's like the movie twins

We are Arnold and they are Danny( We get the cream on the crop they get whats leftover).
In all my years of watching LA football they never seem to develope that many players and they always find away to blow it even when riding the pony.

LOSERS

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 30, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Wow are buddy Festor over at BN put up video of a WSU loss in 88

Funny thing is that Darrell Henley is playing ( aka Drug lord of Glendora) and the fact is they lost when #1 at home with Neuweasel at OC and Troy Aikman at QB. How does a team do that, must be Fucla, like I said even when on top they always slide down. So I say to any recruit not wanting to compete for your spot at USC, go a head go to Ucla. But you better stop by your local ACE hardware store and pick-up some high-water boots, because you will be in deep $hit at Ruin Central.

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 30, 2008 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

so.cal, – I want to start off by letting you know I’m not coming at you in a hostile way here. We’re on the same team, and we want the same things. Every fan is different, and I do enjoy your attitude much of the time.

With that in mind, one of the things I love about Conquest Chronicles is that everyone here does a great job of staying above the fray and leaving the hostile, angry, angry, angry, angry rants to the board for that other school.

The best way to show we’re in a class of our own, is to be a class of our own. That’s my piece. Fight on.

by socaljml on Dec 30, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

OK thats cool but maybe it's time I just didn't join in the fray any longer.

I am who I am and this blog is cool but I guess I’m to backword for you all.

Later have a great New year

Paul D. Kelley

by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 30, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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