GameDay Open Thread USC vs. North Dakota State
North Dakota St. Bison at USC Trojans, Dec 20, 2008 12:00 PM PST
No TV or internet radio of the game once again today.
Here is a brief write-up by Gary Klein of the LA Times today.
Leave you comments or observations here...
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the tv deal sucks.
I haven’t caught a Trojan hoops game all season so far. Granted, I’ve been paying attention to college football….but geez. It’s not like Fox Sports is using all of its airtime these days.
by Signal to Noise on Dec 20, 2008 12:06 PM PST reply actions
Trojan Access didn't even work today I guess
There are a few people complaining about it over on uschoops.
Having been born in Fargo, North Dakota I knew NDSU was a better team than most knew about, but this game should not have been as close as it was. We are damn lucky that Derozan and Washington stepped up (combined to go 13 of 17 in field goal attempts) and that Gibson made most of his free throws, otherwise SC would have lost that game. Even though the SI box score doesn’t have the TO stats in yet, I can already tell by the shot attempt differential that USC had a lot of turnovers. It had to have been an ugly game.
by Laughing Stock on Dec 20, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
sounds like this team has an identity crisis
Be glad when I can see it with my own eyes (read: when FSN picks up the Pac-10 schedule.)
by Signal to Noise on Dec 20, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
looks a little ugly right now… the good news is that ucla isn’t exactly lighting it up either. they still have some issues
Thanks for not putting me out, I was out of line and I'm going through some tough times in my life and I let it get to me.
Was at the game today and NDSU looked great they are really good shooters. You can’t leave them open for a second or you will get burned. SCs offense is very off right now, they are not getting ball to open man fast enough. So this is causing them to reset offense to much and they have been forcing or turning over ball. But it looks like DeMar is getting better and Len looked great also. Wilkinson has lost his confedense and I watch him warm up and he is not square to the basket on outside shot. I have watched Tim’s offense since he got here and this team looks confused, hope they get it together before league play or they are headed for bottom half at this rate.
Have a great Xmas oh and thanks again
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 20, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions
Went to the game
NDSU shot the ball well, moved the ball around well, but didn’t end up finishing some easy buckets. The Trojans committed 20 turnovers, and were also beaten in the assist column by the Bisons. I also don’t think that we hit a 3 pointer in the whole game. The good news is that we rebounded well in the 2nd half, Gibson stayed out of foul trouble, and we shot well from the free throw arc. The bad news was the turnovers. It was comical how many times we turned the ball over. I think Taj coughed it up on 3 consecutive series.
Oh well we will see if these guys can protect the ball better and play some defense with a few more games under their belts.
Derozan and Washington had great games
I'll try to resist the snark
And let the results speak for themselves.
Still, it’s interesting that out of the two new PG recruits (Smith and Miller), the Trojans are getting absolutely nothing from them. Smith is a disappointment (what happened with Angelo Johnson anyway?), but Miller, he is/was a complete waste of a schollie. Wasn’t recruited by any other Pac-10 team (even doormat OSU) or any other major program I know of, but he comes as part of a package deal with DeRozan. Has contributed nothing this year. A schollie PG should contribute something, minutes, promise, something. But Lil’Romeo is sitting at the back of the bench with the walk-ons.
As Wolf just posted, thank god USC is not located in Chapel Hill, Lawrence, Westwood, or any place that takes basketball seriously. And I do hope Timmy drops to his knees every night and thanks God for Pete Carroll.
Helped us how?
That’s why he should pay his own way.
Recruiting? DeRozan? What if he’s gone next year? Then should Percy Miller stay? Does that mean Sidney, Polee and Hill wouldn’t come if Lil’ Romeo wasn’t on scholarship? Nonsense.
I think we have short memories. From the Wall Street Journal, back in March:
Romeo Miller is a 5-foot-10 point guard with a bad knee. He has never played a full season of high-school basketball. This season, he averaged 8.6 points a game for Beverly Hills High School, which finished last in its league.
But next fall, the 18-year-old will suit up for the University of Southern California, a program in the tough Pac-10 conference. And he will receive a full basketball scholarship valued at $44,400 a year.
The scholarship, which is the talk of college recruiters, is a perfect L.A. story, intermingling money, show business and basketball. Besides being an average point guard, Mr. Miller is an actor and singer known as Lil’ Romeo, and the son of a wealthy music mogul. Some question whether the Millers took advantage of their resources — and their relationship with Demar DeRozan of Compton, Calif., one of the top high-school basketball players in America — to win the scholarship over more talented and less privileged athletes.
Bob Gibbons, who oversees the scouting service All-Star Sports, says he was “shocked” when he heard about USC’s offer. “It’s very rare to give a scholarship to someone who may never play.”
It gets better:
Mr. Floyd was introduced to Percy Miller years ago in Louisiana. Last April, Mr. Floyd says, Percy Miller called while driving both players from a tournament in Fayetteville, Ark. Percy Miller said “Demar and Romeo are ready to make their decision, and would you like to have them both on scholarship?” remembers Mr. Floyd. “I said absolutely.”
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The scholarships were announced last November at a press conference arranged by Percy Miller’s public-relations firm. A press release for the event, held at a Four Seasons hotel, gave Romeo Miller top billing. It called him “one of the top 15 point guards in the nation,” citing hoopersonly.com. The Web site was the extension of Hoopers Only magazine, which featured Romeo and Demar on its cover last summer. The site is now blank.
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Sonny Vaccaro, 68, was the longtime director of the ABCD Camp, a summer showcase for top recruits. He invited Romeo Miller to the 2006 camp, primarily as a favor to Percy Miller, whom he knew from the club basketball circuit. “If you’re looking for the profile of an athlete who plays basketball at USC, he’s not it,” he says.
There a lot more nonsense about how Miller was recruited by LSU, ASU and Cal. All three programs deny it. Then there is this about how Floyd f’ed over Ryan Wetherell.
That doesn’t sit well with Don Wetherell. His son Ryan, a 5-foot-11 guard, was one of the best high-school players in Canada and earned a walk-on spot at USC the last two seasons. Mr. Wetherell says he asked the USC staff how Mr. Miller’s arrival would affect his son, who had been told that he had a “good shot” at a scholarship next year. He says they told him Ryan may still get the award — and that Mr. Miller got his because of his relationship with Mr. DeRozan. (Mr. Floyd could not be reached for comment.) “We’re learning a lot,” says Mr. Wetherell, who owns a beverage company in Calgary.
I don’t want to come across as an unhinged partisan like Nestor, but how can you look at this incident and see it as a bad joke? Sure, it’s not illegal, but as far as i am concerned, it smells to high heaven. it says a lot about Floyd, and what it says is not good. It also says a lot about the University, which, over that past 20 years, has made huge strides over the tired old stereotype that it’s a school that values money and privilege over merit and hard work. In my mind, the Percy Miller affair sets the school back years, and all because Garrett, well, let’s go back to the article:
Mike Garrett, USC’s athletic director, says the team now turns a profit.
This is what I heard
Miller is allowed to take potential recruits out as part of their official visit. He drives a $300,000 car, and has a famous father that I’m sure some of the recruits out there would be eager to meet. Evidently Floyd is only allowed to purchase a meal with no more than $60 for each recruit. Miller can pick up the recruit and take him up to the hills to hang with him and Master P.
I don’t think Miller is going to hurt us. Personally I think the more publicity our program gets from having a celebrity on our team, the better.
If that’s Miller’s contribution, then Floyd got a hell of a bargain. Now the question is does the NCAA care that someone found a legal loophole in the whole recruiting $ limits? :-) Whats to stop other schools from getting their resident millionaire to help with recruiting? Or is it even legal? I remember reading an interview with Floyd somewhere where he had to caution Miller against “buying” recruits, but I can’t back that up at all.
In any event, will Miller ever play? I think so eventually in garbage time… maybe. At least so.cal.native1952 believes in him!
PS- Is Lil Romeo really a self-made millionaire or would have been a nobody if not for his famous/rich father?
I'm curious on how its a loophole
Unless you’re saying that the kid and his dad earning an exceptionally good living, and having guests over is a loophole. He’s a player on scholarship on the USC team. Its not like he is a booster who lavishes players with gifts, clothes, transportation, and arranges abortions for player’s girlfriends like a certain school across town had.
Miller is allowed to take a recruit out and show him around. He knows the limit of the rules and is standing by them. The bottom line is without Miller, we don’t get DeRozan. So if you look at it that way, he’s already brought one recruit in. I think Miller’s situation is a little different since he is probably the only celebrity in college basketball right now. I guess you guys can go after Lil’ Bow Wow if you want. I hear he’s available.
P.S. the kid has talent.. Call it what you will, but he has had success away from No Limit records.
You make good points. I don’t know if Snoop Dogg would approve of Lil Bow Wow @ UCLA. Isn’t Snoop his uncle? :-) But hey, I bet Lil Bow Wow can ball just as well as, if not better than, Miller… haha
I still believe that Miller will be a player in the end and will contribute!
You and Uncle Nestor should get the NCAA on this going over to Master Ps house, I hear they live close to Sammy Giberts old place, must be in the Water!
Paul D. Kelley
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 24, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta say
I find it funny that you would invoke loopholes in the NCAA rules imp, considering your football coach has a history of exploiting just those types of holes, and 7 of 11 championships at ucla are tainted by Sam Gilbert. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.

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