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[Now with summary]: carp's Pac-12 proposal

I posted this proposal over at Cal Golden Blogs originally (among others).  Be sure to vote here in this poll if you are a Jimmy-Hat fan!

A decision of this magnitude needs input from other Pac-10 teams so I’ll post similar things at the schools that have entered the 21st century and have SBN blogs (I’m looking at you ‘furd!).  This includes ATQ, Conquest Chronicles, House of Sparky, Bruisnation, Building the Damn, UW Dawg Pound, and CougCenter, as well as Block U and The Ralphie Report.  I also e-mailed Dr. Saturday (formerly SMQ), Ted Miller, and Jon Wilner to get their input.

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Jimmy-Hat fans only: Would you support the Pac-10 expanding to include Utah and Colorado?
Yes
8 votes
No
20 votes

28 votes | Poll has closed

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thoughts, $C fans?

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 29, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What good does adding Utah and Colorado do us?

Or even the proposed Utah and BYU?

We have a true round robin schedule and don’t need a Conference Championship game, unlike bloated conferences like the Big 12 and SEC.

If anything the Big 12 and SEC should be dumping their weaker football programs so that they can go to a round robin format. I saw a great proposal for a new Southwestern conference that would help a lot of the bottom tier Big 12 schools out in terms of competitiveness.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Oct 29, 2008 1:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

how about two BCS bowl games

clearly, it can’t happen with the current set up. If you people get stuck in the Holiday Bowl you’ll understand.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 29, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Pac -10 has no interest in expansion

I would take Boise and Fresno first and even Boise is pushing it to me.

by Paragon SC on Oct 29, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

But

They couldn’t be in the basketball league. Only football.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 29, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All the more reason not to expand

utah and coloardo aren’t competitive in hoops either

by Paragon SC on Oct 29, 2008 6:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Utah is

Utah’s basketball history would probably be in the top half of the Pac-10. It’s certainly far greater than USC’s.

BYU’s not bad either, and they’ve had some very good football teams.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 30, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not recently...

most of that “history” is under Majerus…in the WAC.

so lets not get carried away

by Paragon SC on Oct 30, 2008 6:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well in 2005

Utah had the #1 pick in both the NFL and NBA drafts.

Also, Utah has 4 Final Fours, 1 national title, and 1 NIT title to USC’s 2, 0, and 0, and Arizona’s 4, 1, and 0.

Again, you’d have a hard time arguing that USC, WSU, Cal, UW, Oregon, or ASU have a better history than Utah

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 31, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand....

again its in the WAC and mostly under Majerus in Hoops so its a great story but to me great history is culminated over time and multiple coaches…UNC, UCLA come to mind its more than just a great record under mostly one coach. As far as the Pac 10 goes in regards to expanding they will also look at the overall progress/success of an athletic dept as a whole not just the big two sports.

Moot point anyway…its not going to happen.

by Paragon SC on Nov 1, 2008 6:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And for the record

I voted against it. I see no reason to get rid of the full round robin in football and having a full home-and-home in basketball.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 31, 2008 10:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded

You, sir are clearly a genius.

I was going to post this but you beat me to it. No to expansion, but if we were to, we take Boise St & Fresno St before anyone else (BYU, Utah and/or Colorado?? Really?)

Isn’t Boise St. already in the Pac-10 for wrestling?

Geez though I really like bluemax’s reasons for keeping only 10 teams in the Pac-10.

by Seanny Rotten on Oct 29, 2008 11:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Status Quo is just fine with me

I wouldn’t want to have a cluttered conference like the SEC and Big10

by sharpie20 on Oct 29, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Summary

If you read the proposal, you know that I posted polls at each of the SBN blog sites. Thanks to all who’ve participated across 10 blogs, voted 410 times, and commented ! I thought this would be a great topic to blog about and I was surprised at some of the results. Like everyone, I’m happy the conference has an auto-BCS bid. But I’m frustrated by the fact that the Pac-10 has shown it cannot get two BCS bowl bids (’04 Cal, ’07 ASU). Boo hoo, right? Well, these are big bucks were talking about here. It would be nice to be able to replace the rotten wood bleachers in Memorial (or something to that effect). Moreover, the secondary bowls are terrible. The Holiday Bowl sounds corny, is pre-New Years, and gets the opportunity to play the #3 Big-12 team. And the Pac-10, in an effort to get more bowls, has settled for "meh" bowls rather than quality bowls. My goal behind the expansion was to level the playing field and to improve the Pac-10’s chances of two BCS bowl bids. I’ve posted the voting statistics below from all of the schools participating (% for / % against / total # voters):

Cal (Cal Golden Blogs): 34% / 64% / 49
Bruins Nation: (UCLA): 21% / 78 % / 185
Conquest Chronicles (USC): 23 % / 76 % / 17
ASU (House of Sparky): 47 %/ 52 % / 19
Oregon (ATQ): 22 % / 77 % / 57
Oregon St (Building the Dam): 15 % / 85 % / 40
UW (UW Dawg Pound): 50 % / 50 % / 38
Wazzou (CougCenter): 36 % / 63 % / 11
Utah (Block U): 80 % / 20 % / 30
Colorado (The Ralphie Report): 63 % / 38 % / 18
UofA (no SBN blog): N/A
‘furd (no SBN blog): N/A
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Total: 32 % / 68 % / 410
Throw out UCLA’s 185 votes for copying Cal’s fight song, mascot, colors, team name: 41 % / 59 % / 227

I’m kidding with the last one of course…just a little good natured ribbing. BN should be commended for having such a large blogging audience. I’ve listed some of the general comments that were received around the various blogs that participated:

1) Round Robin Scheduling/I hate changing. Wow. I never knew so many people like robins that are round. In my opinion, I don’t think the SEC/Big-12 cares about non-round robin scheduling since they usually compete for a second BCS bowl bid and they can laugh about it all the way to the bank. The round robin gives the clearest champion whereas the proposed schedule could potentially lead to a screwy system although with better football this "screwiness" could be minimal. This was by far the most common reason for opposing expansion. 11 league football games and 22 league hoops games sound like a lot. Would 11 league games + 2-3 OOC games work? If so, does this improve our BCS chances? I don’t think so. I think a lot of people love the overhyped Conference Championhsip – particularly those who vote in the polls that decide our BCS rankings.

2) Colorado wouldn’t want to/Colorado sucks at hoops/BYU and Utah instead. As the votes and comments suggested, Colorado might want to (some fans at least). Hell, they almost did in ’94 I think. The balance of power has shifted towards the Big-12S/Southwest Conference teams (just as Osborne said it would in the late ‘90s) and it doesn’t appear as it will shift significantly back. Fans should compare the revenue potential of the new Pac-12 and compare it to the revenue potential of the old Big-12, not compare current Pac-10/Big12. I realize that’s hard to do but somebody must be talented enough at business to do this.

Several fans voted for BYU and Utah instead since they offer better hoops teams and have the "Holy War" rivalry to bring. My poll question asked for Colorado and Utah, so these voting numbers don’t reflect BYU + Utah for the Pac-12 expansion. Note that my proposal protects the Holy War, it just doesn’t make it a league game. L’s still matter. This allows for Colorado and Utah to dust off their old rivalry. If BYU wants to take itself seriously, get an SBN blog and help ‘furd and ‘Zona as well.

3) Colardo/Utah don’t fit academically. Yes they do…they are better than 1/3 to 1/2 of the current universities in the Pac-10. Some Buffs fans were really offended by some of the lower Pac-10 blogs were really offended by blogger posting at academically inferior institutions. BYU is different: excellent (so they say) undergrad institution, huge endowment $, no research and no grant $. Some have said this does/does not matter.

4) Mountain West teams can’t compete with Pac-10 teams. A Utah blogger actually said this as his team is ranked #7, 2 spots behind USC and 17 spots ahead of the next Pac-10 team. I think this says something about our current ranking system!

5) Don’t conform to The Man, Screw The Man. Totally unexpected this one and it is very Berkeley. A Utah fan said he enjoys being the BCS buster and he thinks the Pac-10 should leave the BCS conference just to see what others would do. Several other fans around the Pac-10 said they’d rather fix/destroy the BCS and adopt the old version or create a playoff system. One Bruins fan had some crazy shuffling throughout the nation that lead to 7 BCS conferences comprised of 10 teams each, playing round robins, and the winners + next highest ranked team would get BCS bowls. "Fixing the current BCS" is the only thing I see coming out of these ideas mentioned as we roll into another bowl year with 3 teams undefeated…

6) I don’t want to road trip to Utah and Colorado/SLC and Denver aren’t big enough cities. Hey, people hate change. Salt Lake and Denver are major airline hubs and I’ve flown to both locales several times. Salt Lake hosted the Winter Olympics this six years ago. Denver just hosted the DNC. Pulman just hos…

7) Pac-10 teams are afraid of being less successful/losing recruits. I’m of the belief that better teams = better football = better glory. Some aren’t.

8) Are you a commish? Buffs fan? Mountain West fan? No, I’m not a commissioner, Buffs fan, nor Mountain West fan. I’m just a scientist (cue Coldplay) who solves problems for a living.

I’d like to thank everyone for participating and for making this an enjoyable experience. Thanks to all of the chief bloggers for letting a Cal fan post at their site, especially House of Sparky and The Ralphie Report for front page presence.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 31, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colorado... A Big NOOOOO!

Boulder is a very dark city…pun intended!

Utah and BYU or Fresno State and Boise State. Colorado should stay where they are in the Big-12, Big Oil, NWO conglomerate.

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by bcsbusters on Nov 9, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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