No NC's Since Chow Left
I often read elsewhere that USC has underachieved in not winning an MNC since Norm Chow left at the end of the 2004 season.
Well, yeah ok so we haven't won one so what's the point? Chow didn't win them all by himself, one of the criticisms of Chow is that he either doesn't like to recruit or that he isn't very effective at it.
The talent that has been amassed at USC over the past coupe of years may not have developed to what we saw in 2002, 03 and 04 but can anyone honestly tell me that had Chow stayed that we would have beat Texas in the 2006 Rose Bowl? In that game we were absolutely decimated on defense going up against a QB that could single-handedly win a game with his own sheer will. Would Norm Chow prevent Reggie Bush from lateraling the ball, which turned into a fumble. When SC came roaring back in the 2nd half I don't recall Chow calling the plays from his home where ever that was.
Can anyone explain to me what Chow did to recruit the talent that he was able to coach and develop? As mentioned above, Chow doesn't like to recruit and Carroll does, so what Carroll brought in talent (Leinart) Chow was able to develop. It was a symbiotic relationship but at some point all relationships end. Ego has a lot to do with these sorts of relationships falling apart as Wolf explains here.
"I think they wouldn't mind if (Chow) left," said an associate of Carroll and Chow. "I think it's about ego and maybe they are tired of Norm. They don't need him anymore."
Now, to be fair, Chow could also be aloof and paranoid at times and his quiet demeanor is not the type of personality Carroll seems to prefer on his coaching staff.
This may not have been handled correctly but divorces never are. This was a classic clash of the titans, no pun intended.
I like Chow and respect him for all of his accomplishments but lets not get carried away. Any self respecting UCS fan would be nuts not to be concerned about what Chow could potentially do across town, no whistling by the graveyard here but there are no givens in life. I would agree that the USC offense has clearly shown a difference in stewardship since Chow left. But what makes some shake their heads is seeing what possibly could have been. Carroll did not replace Chow with someone special but instead he replaced Chow with his godson and then another 30-something in Sark. So until Sark proves himself with several full seasons of similar work to Chow, Carroll is rightly going to take some heat for what happened.
Like it or not folks it Pete Carroll's show and he gets to pick who he wants to be on his staff. That doesn't mean that Carroll makes the right hires but to this point SC is still in the national discussion 3 years after Chow left. Norm Chow was a valuable piece to the programs rise but he wasn't irreplaceable, no one is. Of course had he stayed there is a good chance that SC could have had 4 MNC's but like I said there are no guarantees.
So to me the question is simple do I think Chow will a strong impact on the future of ucla football? Yes I do but if Chow is so invaluable what will it say if ucla doesn't win an MNC in say 3-4 years? Does that mean that Chow is overrated? Or does it mean that he's lost his touch. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. Our friends from across town seem to think that that Chow is the magic bullet toward relevancy, that's an awful lot of pressure and expectation to place on one person, especially without a lot of talent in cupboard.
Slick Rick has yet to prove that he can win with his own players, he is an average recruiter at best which is why it was so important to keep Walker as he is the one who opened up the inner-city to ucla. Chow is a name that will bring instant recognition and credibility we all agree on that but it will take his best work to get ucla to the promised-land.
We'll see.....
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We need to take a look at our own house!
When Neuheisel was hired, it got Carroll and the coaching staff's attention, however; with the Chow hire, it's different, it's now personal. SC's defense is one of the best in Collegiate Football; however, the bar has been raised by the hiring of Chow.
John David Booty, I'm sure glad I don't have to hear that name again. As Tennessee Ernie Ford would say, "Bless His Little 'Ole Pea Picking Heart". Never, and I mean NEVER has he gotten the job done like his predecessors. Was Chow's absence the reason, I don't know, but conventional wisdom should cause one to at least examine the cause.
The 'Hot Shot' offensive guru Sarkisian, whom many fans and alum's have wanted gone, is now in the spotlight for 2008, he better not flinch....or lose to UCLA, for if he does, I'm sure the PR machine at SC will churn out the usual droll about him moving on to the NFL as an OC with the Titans........sound familiar?
SC's weakness for the last two seasons has been Offensive. Not being able to stack points on the scoreboard, making the other teams play catch-up, with playing catch-up comes turnovers, and SC's strong defense was there to take advantage of the mistakes.
So where does this leave the Trojans?....... the PAC10 is definitely getting tougher, no longer a cake walk for the talented Trojans, plus a formidable adversary developing across town. Peter Perfect, with his penchant for 'Total Control', has it all at SC.
The, "I might leave for the NFL" drama he causes the anointed and administration to endure annually, might get him some unexpected assistance toward that goal should he not have an exceptional 2008 season.
'FIGHT ON'
by alfa1 on Jan 23, 2008 7:14 PM PST 0 recs
Newsflash
USC QBs will NOT win the Heisman every year.
The bar has been set high (and that's a good thing), but saying "good riddance" to players/teams who do not land those prizes is a little ridiculous. It ain't happening.
by Defender90 on
Jan 24, 2008 11:26 PM PST
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I agree with some of your observations
by frak on
Jan 25, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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The Weasel of Westwood
by aeneas on Jan 23, 2008 7:44 PM PST 0 recs
What we have done with and without Chow
2001- Las Vegas Bowl Loss (Unranked)
2002- Orange Bowl Win/ Pac-10 Title(AP #4,Coaches #4)
2003- Rose Bowl Win/Pac 10 Title/AP Title(AP #1,Coaches #2)
2004- Orange Rowl Win/BCS Title/AP Title/Pac-10 Title(AP #1,Coaches #1)
Without Chow
2005- Rose Bowl Loss/Pac-10 Title(AP #2,Coaches #2)
2006- Rose Bowl Win/Pac-10 Title(AP #4,Coaches #4)
2007- Rose Bowl Win/Pac-10 Title(AP #3,Coaches #2)
So we are 2-1 in the Rose Bowl, and we finish in the top 4 without Chow. Call me crazy, but I still we are still at the top level of college football. Also I think the talent level of the players is the biggest difference between the Chow, and non-Chow teams. If the coaching expertise is less, its not by much.
You can't win a national championship every year. If that's what you expect from Norm Chow every season I would think that you are deluded. Norm has been an OC since 1973-2004 and he has won 3 national titles(1984, 2003, 2004). For those of you that can add that means he didn't win the national title 28 times. If being a down year means 11-2 with a Pac-10 and Rose Bowl Title, then I can totally live with that.
Realisticly, you can expect to have a much better chance to win a national title with a coach like Norm Chow. Don't get me wrong, I think he is great.
by frak on Jan 24, 2008 9:53 AM PST 0 recs
"aloof and paranoid at times"
by frak on Jan 24, 2008 4:32 PM PST 0 recs





