The race to the bottom
A few words on Todd McNair and the race to the bottom:
The folks over at Bruins Nation have had a good week for themselves, and it's only Wednesday. Apparently one of their commentors just happened to be googling USC's coaching staff, as you do, and found that Todd McNair had been convicted in New Jersey in 1996 of charges of cruelty to animals and neglect. The initial charges also included keeping dogs for the purposes of fighting, but this was not proven.
The BN commentor's diary was put on the front page by Nestor, who also noted that McNair allegedly knew about Reggie Bush's improper benefits, and who challenged the local press to do something about it. That latter challenge to the local press in Los Angeles was fair enough - whatever the motivation, BN evidently put more effort into connecting the dots about the opposition than the LA Times did their beat reporting subject - Google is freely available, after all, and I bet the LA Times has Lexis Nexis access as well.
Well, Gary Klein of the LA Times duly did look into the story, noting the post on BN, and confirmed it. Klein also found a 1994 incident, again in new Jersey, where one of McNair's dogs killed a neighbor's dog, as well as a 1993 charge of animal neglect when McNair was in Kansas City.
When asked about the charges, Pete Carroll said, "We looked into it to make sure we knew what happened," Carroll said. "That was a long time ago."
So, apparently we have now entered a race to the bottom in terms of finding coaches with criminal records. I will happily admit to having a good laugh about Eric Scott's summer escapades; I don't find this particularly funny. But turn about is fair play, and it's fair to ask if Pete Carroll et al knew, and if they knew and didn't care. Speaking only for myself, if they knew and decided to hire him anyway, and we've stooped to the level of UCLA in hiring practices, so be it. I find animal abuse reprehensible, but if nothing else it's not like McNair is OJ Simpson. At some level, you have to let people prove that they can demonstrate reformed behavior, and that's as true of Eric Scott as it is of Todd McNair.
I'd be more upset if it emerged that McNair, like Scott, was (allegedly) involved in repeat criminal behavior now. As it is, eleven years have elapsed since the last apparent instance of McNair's bad behavior.
So, in summary, it's worth a review of what BN might actually proving here. I'm leaving aside the comments about the Reggie Bush allegations because BN Goggles of Justice render the word "alleged" as "GUILTY AS HELL," and instead focusing on the stories that have been proven. They've been able to demonstrate that: 1) USC also hired an assistant coach who has a record, just like UCLA, so we're even there; 2) USC could have looked into their assistant coaches past more, just like UCLA, and we might be even there; and, 3) USC assistant coaches appear to have trouble with recidivism? Well, we're not there yet on #3. Keep hope alive on the race to the bottom, BN faithful!
In the meantime, you'll excuse us if we don't spend all of our time trying to dig up new dirt on our rival programs so that we can feel better about our team's missteps.
Update [2007-8-29 16:26:1 by Paragon SC]:
DC Trojan has written a great piece but I want to throw my thoughts out here on the McNair situation.
First and foremost I am a blogger, and while this story has put USC in a bad light and disturbs me deeply you have to give BN a hat tip for flushing out a story that the MSM either ignored or completely missed. Regardless of what I may feel about their site and their contributors it would be hypocritical of me to bitch and moan about this story just because I don’t like what the story is about without at least giving credit where credit is due. A rising tide raises all boats and this only gives bloggers MORE credibility in a medium in which we fight for credibility everyday. We may not like the results of their methods in regards to this piece but the methods, in the end, are something that we all have access to and it is an individual choice to search the internet for the salacious past of others lives. We choose not to.
We have stated time and again that we will not go scouring every nook and cranny to dig up dirt on our rivals because again it has no bearing on what happens on the field. Of course if a story comes our way we will comment on it, make note of it and move on. I think our handling of the Eric Scott case was indicative of that. Our commentary on that story was more about the information of the case as it was presented to the public, the speculation of who knew what and when and the irony that a fan base that has tried to tout a holier than thou attitude about morals and character was itself embroiled in its own controversy about said subject. If the Scott case came out for some other reason other than the fact that he was arrested in the alleged commission of a similar act we would have also noted it but the irony angle would still apply based on Scott’s past. Todd McNair like Eric Scott have paid their debt to society in the name of fines and probation. If the government is happy with it then so am I, as both deserve second chances and the opportunity to become productive members of society.
As for the McNair situation I have a couple of thoughts. I am disappointed and disturbed about this story. I am not a rabid animal rights activist, no pun intended, but I am also smart enough to understand that this is something that you Do NOT Do. I learned at an early age, when my family owned a number of animals, about the responsibility of caring for a pet, as an adult I still understand those responsibilities and because I understand them I choose not to own a pet because I just don’t have the time or the room to take on that responsibility. I have more important things to do, but if I did own a pet I certainly would give it all of my effort to offer that pet a happy home. What inspires people to this is beyond me. I am an avid bird hunter and I take the responsibility of the sport very seriously that by no means makes me animal abuser as I eat what I shoot and only shoot the bare minimum to enjoy the experience.
McNair has been involved in controversy in the past with his alleged knowledge of the Reggie Bush affair and his involvement with the whole FaceBook/White Nation thing. I am not going to speculate as to what Pete Carroll knows or what he should about it. It is his ship to steer and he will bear the brunt of responsibility if things are more than they seem. But I want to reiterate something that I said in the past. I am a fan not an alum so I don’t live by the whole school pride thing. Those who have attended USC take their affiliation with the institution seriously where as I only care about how the team does on the field, I may not be happy about some of the issues that have come up in the past few seasons but I won’t lose sleep over it either simply because it isn’t about the game itself. There are those who live for this sort of stuff and that is fine, I choose not get I the gutter and roll around in the mud. As we have stated in the past we will comment on issues that come up but we won’t obsess about them.
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All that said, on the subject of McNair. He is obviously at the very least a poor pet owner. The details appear to be shady, with 22 dogs on the property living in terrible conditions. What he did 14 years ago was disgusting to say the least. The question on whether he was involved in dogfighting is a serious issue. He was never proven to be involved in that activity. What that means is that he could have been involved, or he might just be a jerk of a dog owner. You can go either way with it.
I guess all I can say is he was convicted of keeping animals in bad conditions, and failure to license animals 14 years ago. As long as that was his only brush with the law, then I'm ok with keeping him. This isn't going to be the only thing ancient that people dig up, I'm sure of that. It wouldn't even be a story if the Michael Vick dogfighting case wasnt in the news.
So go ahead BN, spend countless hours googling away on the SC coaching staff and players. I'm sure there will be SC people doing the same. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Their poop stinks just as much as anyone elses, so I'm really not worried about what they dig up.
by frak on
Aug 29, 2007 8:56 AM PDT
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Not quite the same...
First, McNair's charge happened 11 years prior to him joining the USC staff - while Eric Scott had recent convictions just prior to his hiring. Second, and most importantly, Eric Scott was involved in what appears to have been a botched crime WHILE was a coach for Westwood High. That is the key differentiator in my opinion.
I don't expect all coaches to be saints, because there aren't many that meet those standards. We've all done things in the past that we probably regret now that we're older. What does concern me is if a guy has repeated run-ins with the law, is hired to coach & mentor yound men, and yet he still is involved in criminal behavior. (note to bruin trolls: do not bring up the fact that charges were dropped - we all know he was there and it wasn't for cookies and tea).
Again, I think the circumstances are very different. If it turns out McNair is still hanging with shady characters and not taking care of his animals then the University needs to take action. I haven't seen anything that would suggest that is the case.
by Rex Cramer on
Aug 29, 2007 9:19 AM PDT
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None of that matters
We will see how big this story gets, but I somewhat doubt that it will reach the bizarre heights of the Scott case since it happened 14 years ago.
by frak on
Aug 29, 2007 9:59 AM PDT
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Agree
by Rex Cramer on
Aug 29, 2007 10:56 AM PDT
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In other rehashing of very old news
Developing ...
by Zoulou on
Aug 29, 2007 10:29 AM PDT
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I will have some thouhts on it later
by Paragon SC on
Aug 29, 2007 12:18 PM PDT
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Could we please stop posting items
Seriously, they creep me out.
by Class of 2007 on
Aug 29, 2007 12:38 PM PDT
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In this instance...
Speaking of fair, the phrase "sad obsession" is about right. There seems to be a hope that each new "scandal" will be the one that "brings down" USC's football program. It's more of a "political attack dog" mode than we care to emulate, in which the faster one can cycle through and amplify / distort "scandals," the better.
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 1:16 PM PDT
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I just hate the shrill tone
by ilium55 on
Aug 29, 2007 4:00 PM PDT
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I see where you're coming from
As a law school student, I have access to Lexis and Westlaw records; you don't see me even thinking about digging dirt on westwood coaches... Just pathetic.
by Class of 2007 on
Aug 29, 2007 1:53 PM PDT
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Each to their own
How's law school treating you so far?
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 1:59 PM PDT
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I think it should be noted
Nobody would have ever started digging if he had not gone to BN to brag that "our coach doesn't have convicts on his staff."
So coach McNair, and every USC fan who now has to read and talk about dog fighting and its association with USC football, should send a big thank you USCLink's way.
by Rhapsode on
Aug 29, 2007 2:23 PM PDT
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Please...
I'm not buying it; the obsession of all things USC over there is enough to fill a book so I'm sure your crw was bound to find out about it sooner or later. Regardless of 13-9 you guys have been left in the dust in regards to football and all you can do is badmouth your coach and badmouth our coach because you are not in the conversation. You hate SC so much yet all you do is comment about how bad we are. It means we matter because if we didn't there wouldn't be so much talk about us.
You feel you have to save the world to make everyone have some sort of moral compass in line with the Pope or how YOU feel it should be. Sorry pal that is not the real world. People do bad things, some get caught some don't but those who get caught pay the price and that is that.
I'm not sure what Link's reason was for going over to BN and I don't care, as he is responsible for his own actions, but I could guess it's a lot like listening to Howard Stern people go to BN because what they say or do is so outrageous and they keep going back to see what they will say or do next.
I gave them props for digging up the story, as I said above it only makes us bloggers more credible as a whole, but don't mistake that for me agreeing with or supporting the other stuff that Nestor does over there. It's ok when the spot light is on others but how will you react when it's on you? Karma's a bitch and it usually pays you back in spades and you never see it coming!
by Paragon SC on
Aug 29, 2007 4:05 PM PDT
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I made my bed
Occasionally, they spout something over there that I want to address. After all of their lying, bullshitting, and doublethinking, I made a snarky comment that I fully regret.
But Rhapsode, I'm man enough to admit it. I'm to blame here. I'm fully responsible. And I'm sorry.
However, I can't help that now. The one thing I can do is express my regret. That, and learn my very very painful lesson.
Thanks for making that an easier load to bear Rhapsode. It helps knowing that after doing my best to contribute to the Trojan family throughout the past two years, one innocent comment and an overzealous witch hunter brings down everything I've tried to help do.
Good luck to everyone...I'm done with this. There is no reason to get myself or anyone else in more trouble than I already have.
My apologies to McNair, to the Trojan Family and anyone else harmed by what I thought was an innocuous statement.
by USCLink on
Aug 29, 2007 5:35 PM PDT
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Nil desperandum Link
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 6:08 PM PDT
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Just take it as a lesson learned
by frak on
Aug 29, 2007 6:27 PM PDT
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Yo, Link
The level of vitriol and a*shattedness is off the charts over there, though (no newsflash, that). Let them stew in their own juices in the parallel universe they've created. We like you here for the party, man.
by Defender90 on
Aug 29, 2007 6:57 PM PDT
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To Rhapsode
by Class of 2007 on
Aug 29, 2007 2:48 PM PDT
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To DC
Thanks for asking. Hope things are bumpin' in DC.
by Class of 2007 on
Aug 29, 2007 2:50 PM PDT
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Great "addendum" DC!
You see, after reading BN's non-news- and DC's iniitial article, both blogs seemed ridiculous and sophomoric to me. BN's for being the event horizon of idiocy and yours (DC's) for it's apologist "my coach, your coach" revelations.
As Trojan faithful, we don't have to apologize for our own. BigBallsPete knows what's up and what he's doing. Trust that and remember to keep your head above the cesspool of words Trojan-haters (they're EVERYWHERE) fling our way and we're all good.
I've got very very good friends who've graduated, attended, and root for UCLA- 80% are totally cool-ass-folks. Those bloggers and posters at BN are "just got to Westwood off the chicken-plane out of towners who never lived this close to the beach" and feel like they've got such entitlements, that they can call us out regarding anything under the sun.
BTW: Lay off OJ, give him the same decency you may or may not still give McNair in "being changed". Again, don't apologize for any us alums, players, or fans. It's bad on multiple levels. PC is cool only if your BigBallsPete himself.
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 29, 2007 3:44 PM PDT
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easy there
You're quite right about the majority of UCLA alumni being good folks to be around - my best friend from high school being one example. But we'll just have to part ways on the "my school, right or wrong, but my school" approach. If I see something wrong, I call it that way. The kicking of competitors' asses in recruiting, training, and in games is what I like to see USC doing, and I don't need any guidance in how to support the team when they are doing just that.
Hopefully your nausea has receded by now.
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 5:18 PM PDT
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right back at you Champ. . . easy!
Look in a mirror.
You still smiling?
If all you got from my post was me trying to ram something down you throat, you need another layer of skin.
Is this not a blog? Is there not commentary? Is there not opinions to that commentary?
What am I missing here?
What did you call me?
What did I call YOU??
I really like reading Conquest Chronicles. Some of the best inside scheit on my alma mater and favorite team and the commentary is hilarious, top-notch (hit and miss? but that's only MY opinion), and I think you guys seriously do STAY ABOVE THE FRAY.
But don't in anyway think I feel I've got entitlements or ownership in all things USC. I got an opinion. Can I have it?
You've got yours, by all means go girl. But why bother with having a blog if it's a bitch for you to take some criticism? I don't get it.
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 29, 2007 6:57 PM PDT
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I genuinely wasn't upset
You are completely entitled to your opinion, and to express it here. I didn't entirely agree with it, but I promise you that no personal offense was taken. I can't make everyone happy, after all.
As for this back and forth - my goal above was to clarify, not attack. That plainly didn't come through in my answer, so hopefully I've made it clearer now.
Besides, I'm married, have 2 daughters, and work as a consultant for a living. Trust me when I tell you that I can cope with a little criticism...
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 7:30 PM PDT
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I was merely disappointed. . . .
Allow me to clarify what I tried to convey.
Read flak's post here below at 8:00.56-
it's exactly what I just should have said.
Enough said
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 29, 2007 11:42 PM PDT
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I get where youre coming from Tap
That said, I really don't give a rip what any bruin thinks of our program. They can squeal with glee about a 14 year old charge, but the bottom line is that BigBallsPete isn't going to fire him, and thats fine by me.
by frak on
Aug 30, 2007 12:54 AM PDT
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Goodness gracious, mercy me! Thanks!
I'm totally new to this blog (and blogospheres for that matter) and I REALLY REALLY wasn't intending to step on ANYBODY'S toes. . . .sheesh!
Thanks frak, I'll care to have better diligence over my chose of words and tenor from this point forward, but I'll still speak my mind.
(are these cats always like this?)
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 30, 2007 5:23 AM PDT
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Easy there, indeed...
The McNair issue does matter if only to get to bottom of it. McNair claims that he was exonerated on the dog fighting charges I would like to see independent confirmation of that. I wouldn't say it's "non-news", the current climate with the whole Vick situation is evidence of that. If for no other reason it is a distraction with the season about to start so it is news worthy.
Coupled with the other allegations in regards to Bush and "White Nation" thing and it just doesn't look good. I disagree with your calling this blog sophomoric. We will react and comment on things that will come up and we don't go digging into peoples past or keeping lists of supposed transgressions to try and make the case that they are all criminals.
WE do our best to keep things above the fray but sometimes you need to get in the trenches and slug it out.
by Paragon SC on
Aug 29, 2007 6:05 PM PDT
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Didn't pick up what was being put down (twice)
Wasn't trying to tell both you craving for credibility bloggers how to live and write. Was only remarking that it's possible to be "too pc".
If anything what I wrote was in anyway offensive, if it made you feel poorly, or if I offended anyone- I apologize. No seriously. I mean it. That's how I see it. (see what I mean?)
Can we just chill out now? We're on the same side.
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 29, 2007 6:26 PM PDT
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We're good here
by Paragon SC on
Aug 29, 2007 7:21 PM PDT
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<insert knuckle touch here>
Keep us posted on how far (if, at all) the so-called "drooling over USC" media takes this McNair issue.
My guess is that it's DOA, but then again- I've only just started my day today. Will be in the office FOREVER today- I'd like to think BN gets punked on this matter so they can crawl back under their BruceDavis-ig(norame)neus rock.
What's it now? Are we at DEFCON-3? 2 days to kick-off. Somebody out there's feelin' it besides me, no?
Right On!
Fight On!
Knuckle touch to all ya'll!
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 30, 2007 6:57 AM PDT
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the dvr was set last week
by DC Trojan on
Aug 30, 2007 7:18 AM PDT
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b'gosh, b'goll, b'gum !!!
that's bananas DC! totally bang out of order!
and I thought I was nuts-going-crazy for this upcoming season?
yeaaaahhhh boy-eeeee!
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 30, 2007 1:24 PM PDT
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Keep it up...
by DC Trojan on
Aug 30, 2007 3:32 PM PDT
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However...
by DC Trojan on
Aug 29, 2007 7:35 PM PDT
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Much appreciated. . .
Keep up the stellar work.
I'll keep on reading, laughing, and continue passing off good commentary to my fellow alums from your site (this was never in serious jeaporday as it was in the first place)
Tristan
by tapoutstylist on
Aug 29, 2007 8:55 PM PDT
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Get a life
Having said that, the compulsive preoccupation with USC that led someone from Whocla to sit around googling our entire football staff is both pathetic and unsurprising (nice try blaming Link, though). After all, the lumping together of rumor, innuendo, and outright bullsh*t with the occasional verifiable piece of information in a ludicrous attempt to create some supposed great institutional failing or indictment of Pete Carroll is a constant for some. Stalkers are less obsessed.
On the other hand, I guess it's more comforting to rationalize "they can't be better than we are because they're ummmmm actually better than we are, but because they're all cheaters" and I'm sure it's easier than trying to figure out the schizophrenic nature of your own perenially "up and coming" football team (I, for one, know a new cfb season is upon us when I get my annual sense of deja vu reading a "Dorrell says this is the year team takes it to the next level" story in the LAT).
The remarkable success USC has enjoyed in recent years brings with it an equal amount of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy on the part of some people. Maybe they'll be able to get over it at some point.
by Defender90 on
Aug 29, 2007 4:01 PM PDT
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Lets not attack our own
by frak on
Aug 29, 2007 5:00 PM PDT
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Only attacked?
by Defender90 on
Aug 29, 2007 6:42 PM PDT
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Above post
by frak on
Aug 29, 2007 8:36 PM PDT
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In a completely unrelated note
And that's cool.
Also, even further off track, to try to bring a bit of levity to the situation (and an honest question) when you think of songs that make a girl's heart melt when played on guitar, what comes to mind?
by USCLink on
Aug 29, 2007 7:39 PM PDT
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I Gave My Love A Cherry
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Aug 29, 2007 7:59 PM PDT
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