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NCAA Still Investigating Recruiting Dinners at Papadakis

From Wolf's Blog while I was away.

Dept. Of Investigations

USC's compliance office is still conducting its investigation into recruiting dinners at Papadakis Taverna. This originally became an issue right before the USC-Texas game and players were interviewed last November during the week of the Cal game, much to the chagrin of the football program considering what was at stake that week.

Some believed the investigation was wrapped but we've confirmed that it is alive and well. It's important to point out that compliance offices work independently from the athletic dept. and work on their own time frame.

OK, if the NCAA wants to investigate an issue that has been dead for a while now that's fine with me. But it would seem that the Reggie Bush situation is little more important and seeing that the NCCA has only 3 investigators it would seem only logical to go after the bigger fish, though I can understand that the Bush investigation is at a bit of a standstill.

On a side note, I have heard that Petros has a lot of negativity towards Bush etc. over the whole mess but he might be better served making sure his yard is clean before worrying about someone else's yard. It is hard to say if there was any wrong doing at his dad's restaurant but it would be the smart move to keep one's mouth shut until daddy's tavern is cleared of any wrongdoing.

I'm just sayin'...

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The situation at the taverna is a secondary violation if its anything.  USC is allowed to buy recruits a meal, the question is how much money can they reasonably spend on that meal.  Also John P. is not allowed to speak to recruits, and it seems like he did when he discussed his past experiences being a Trojan Football player.  

I'm not sure what all he said, but the only thing he is allowed to do is introduce himself, and say hello, otherwise he is a booster.

 Im not sure what type of punishment USC would receive for this, but it should be light.

by frak on Jul 10, 2007 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

whatever
I know the rule is there for a reason, and if the restaurant was a tad more upscale I'd have a bigger problem-I'd hate to see all those Torjan players getting free meals at whatever five-star restaraunts Carroll likes to frequent. But this is small potatos. Even if true, and a violation did occur, it's not that big a deal. What amazes me though is the fact that this investigation is still ongoing. Over 18 months investigating a penny-ante issue of comping kids at a family diner, and still no finding? Pathetic-these guys must be working for a federal special counsel.

by ucladj89 on Jul 10, 2007 9:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny how this is never the LA Times
I'm pretty sure the rule in question here is the same one that would have been broken if McKnight had spoken with Bush over the phone.  And it looks like this is only being investigated by the USC compliance office.

by SuperBruinMan on Jul 10, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If USC is handling the investigation...
I suppose it makes sense that it would take some time, since they are so busy investigating all those other problems (OK, lighten up you Trojan fans who now want to flame me for a little joke) with the program. But 18 months? Take a few statements, write a friggin' report, submit it to the NCAA, and get a slap on the wrist for a minor infraction. Not a big deal, and no obvious reason to drag out the investigation.

by ucladj89 on Jul 10, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

secondary violations
Every year there are some 60-70 secondary violations that USC compliance officials report themselves to the NCAA.  The main issues revolving around Papadakis Taverna is the fact that John Papadakis was acting as a booster, and should not be addressing a recruit improperly.  

All Coach Carroll wanted to do was to continue a tradition, by taking players to a former players restaurant for a meal, and a bellydance or 2.
I'm sure no harm was meant, but the rules are clear, and it seems that a violation occurred.

The NCAA tends to throw down harsher punishment to more sinister violations, like what happened to Oklahoma, and what could happen with Reggie Bush.  I don't see anything big coming from the Papadakis complaint, but who knows?

by frak on Jul 10, 2007 4:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The NCAA is inconsistent
Colorado's (recent) violations weren't exactly murder.

by SuperBruinMan on Jul 10, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember it in the times
I remember reading about this Papadakis thing in the LA times superbruin.  I don't think its front page news that an investigation that is 18 months old, is still ongoing.

by frak on Jul 10, 2007 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Colorado
After looking over the rules, and what they did, it seems like an honest mistake to me.  The violations with the undercharged meals came to about 62000 dollars.  The violations were self reported, and the NCAA put them on probation.

The violations may not be "murder" but what it amounts to is $62K of university funds going walk-ons over a 5 year span.  Walk-ons can receive training table meals, but only if they pay for a meal at the dining hall prior to getting the training table meal.  The walk-ons at Colorado paid that fee, but the training table meals were twice as expensive as the dining card meals so thats where the violation occurred.

The NCAA bylaws are 476 pages long.  Thats why schools have compliance departments.  They are supposed to be familiar with the whole rule book so they can stop this stuff before it happens.

Although I don't see a lot of parallels between Colorado's violations and USC's.  Colorado gave their walk-ons 62,000 dollars, USC has John Papadakis improperly address potential recruits. Maybe Colorado got dealt with too harshly.  Time will tell with USC.

by frak on Jul 10, 2007 10:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oklahoma is in trouble
According to ESPN they will have to give up all of their wins from 2005.

by SuperBruinMan on Jul 11, 2007 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the comments
"TexasHawk76 (7/11/2007 at 12:30 PM)

You do understand, this may be the death knell of schools being proactive with their investigations. What possible motive to come clean and impose self-punishment does this create now? I speak as a die-hard Longhorn and die-hard Sooner rival when I say: This was wrong. The Sooners did not deserve this."

by SuperBruinMan on Jul 11, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree
Seems like a very harsh penalty to me.  Its not like they were complicit in what happened.  I don't think this is going to stop anyone from self reporting violations.  Not reporting, and trying to cover up something is a sure fire ticket to the death penalty.

I hope the sooners win their appeal.

by frak on Jul 11, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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