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USC..the football school. Now you know what it means to put a good basketball team together (well, including the Paul Westphal era). So tell me, how f*ckin' fun was that?

And when I ask this question, I'm not trying to stir any pot. My fiancee is a Trojan, so I know so much about Trojan sports it makes me sick because blue and gold flows through my viens...but I have a vested interest in Trojan sports because of her.

But really, did you like it? How does it compare to football? Is it too new to really appreciate it? I'm  very curious to your answers because my fiancee hated basketball until this season when I got her into it because of USC and UCLA doing well.

And, although I wish many ass kicking upon you from Bruins, I do wish many competative games between us. Like I said before, victory is sweeter when your enemy is strong.

PS- You are all very cordial here. I would like to thank you for being very welcoming and insightful. You are all good representatives of the Trojan Family.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Conquest Chronicles' writers or editors.

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by BruinFan1 on Apr 8, 2007 11:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a classy bruin
Hey BruinFan1, this season was amazing.  In past season's we couldn't fully enjoy upset victories over ucla and arizona, because we would usually follow them up with losses to the bottom dwellers of the confernce.  Tim Floyd has done an amazing job so far, and it feels great to know that our team will compete hard in every game.  March Madness is fun every year, but even more so when your team is in the tourney. Though I appreciate your diary, it still doesn't change the way I feel about your colleagues of westwood.  But cheers to many more great battles between us.  Fight On!

by mel kiper fan on Apr 9, 2007 1:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was interesting...
I'm probably not representative as I don't usually follow any form of basketball - it wasn't that exciting on a sporting basis. But it did prompt me to watch a couple of games, which were the first college basketball games I have watched in any form since I went to the occasional game.

Having a competitive team on the court is satisfying, and it was good that the players who have been around for a couple of seasons got to enjoy some success before graduating or otherwise moving on.

Plus, one of these days they're going to beat UCLA and it won't be a fluke - and that would be pretty cool.

by DC Trojan on Apr 9, 2007 7:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're UCLA and they are not amused
Something tells me most Bruins are not as receptive to these changes at USC as you seem to be.

For those of us who had to travel to the Los Angeles Sports Arena (aka The Cave) for Trojan basketball games, the new era of the sport at USC is welcome and long overdue. I think USC pursued excellence in basketball in the past, but in fits and starts. Clearly, with the Galen Center and the hiring of Coach Floyd, the university and the athletic department have made a major commitment. Given USC's academic cred and, of course, its athletic powerhouse rep and, yes, its focal point in the nation's 2nd largest media market, the program is here to stay and it's only going to get better.

by Defender90 on Apr 9, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While we're on the subject......
UCLA should have a very decent football team next year, so it should be really fun to see both schools competing in both sports at the highest level.  
     As a side note, I've always appreciated you coming on here BruinFan and making thoughtful, intelligent banter which rises above, "SC is a bunch of scumbags, while we here at UCLA are the classiest, most law abiding citizens in the history of mankind" kind of drivel.  It truly made me sad to see how you were treated the other week on BN because you had the "audacity" to come here and make supportive remarks with regards to the SC basketball program.  Apparently a lot of people over at BN think you can't be a "real" Bruins fan, and have anything positive to say about SC.  Personally I think that is such a load of BS and I felt really bad for you when they were trying to rip you a new one.  Me, myself, I do not have any particular allegiance to either school, (undergrad work at NYU, graduate work at Colombia) but I've always been a supporter of the local teams since I grew up in southern california.  Unforuately reading all the incessantly negative posting over at BN has turned me off from following Bruins sports.  I much prefer the way Paragon runs his site and as a result, I've become much more of a follower of trojan sports.  Obviously BN is not representative of all Bruins fans, yourself a noted exception, but that site leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.  Anyway, good luck following your school next year.  Here's to a great rivalry.      

by RCollier27 on Apr 9, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few points
There are a few reasons BN is the way it is, especially compared to this site:
  1. Traffic.  Compared to CC, BN has a lot more readers and a lot more contributors.
  2. Flamers.  I don't come here very often, but I have never seen anyone come on here just to make fun of USC in an immature fashion (like saying "USC sucks" and nothing else).  If I'm wrong about this please correct me; as I said, I don't come here often.
  3. Main Stream Media.  When was the last time there was an article about USC similar to Dodd's hit piece or Freeman's article about UCLA basketball?  These types of articles give some members of BN an "us against the world" mentality.
These three factors added together mean that sometimes different criticisms can be unfairly lumped together.  Because of the amount of contributors, it is impossible for a real debate to occur.  If you put out an opinion on BN, there could be any number of people challenging it.  When there are twenty people criticizing every small thing, it can be very hard to stand up for yourself and actually explain your opinion.  And if one of those twenty steps over the line, human nature makes it easy for the other 19 to defend him.  This, however, is pretty much the only problem with BN.  Most of the discussions are based in fact and there are some competing opinions.

As for the anti-USC posting you seem to refer to, I'll ask you two questions.  How many times has a player on the UCLA football team been investigated for sexual assault/rape in the past three years?  How many times has a player on the USC football team been investigated for sexual assault/rape in the past three years?  I think you might understand how the contrasting answers could point to this: "SC is a bunch of scumbags, while we here at UCLA are the classiest, most law abiding citizens in the history of mankind"

I would like to point out that this does does seem to be one of the classiest blogs around, and for that ParagonSC should be commended.

GO BRUINS!!

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 10, 2007 3:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not fair
Just because SC players have been investigated, doesn't mean they did anything wrong.  Most of the incidents to which you refer were trumped up charges based upon unreliable accusations, and were only brought because SC is in the spotlight after having been so successful.  I'm sure the 'ruins have their own incidents we just don't hear about- aside from handicap placards and Denny's beat-downs- but just noone cares because Fucla is irrelevant in college football.

by OC Phil on Apr 10, 2007 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there were more
The LA Times would report them since they theoretically cover both teams.  I will admit, there was the incident with Ward and Hale, but that is on the level of Maualuga's incident.  The handicap placards were almost ten years ago now.

You are right that unreliable accusations are often levelled, but people usually accuse star players if they want attention.  Dennis and Sanchez are not stars.  And three accusations begins to show a trend.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 10, 2007 6:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't a Bruin punter...
...roll his truck while driving drunk and leave a female athlete unconscious while he ran away? Within the last couple of years, I think. Not too cool, but it doesn't say much about the program one way or the other.

Hmmm. This doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.

by DC Trojan on Apr 10, 2007 9:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Metlock
That was their all-american kicker Justin Metlock.  and it wasnt just any girl, it was their star female golfer he left unconscious in the car.  classy

by trojan fan dan on Apr 11, 2007 11:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Medlock
Kickers get drunk- that's reality.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 12, 2007 12:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come again?!?!
holy crap sir.  are you serious?  we all know that college students get drunk.  i'm in college and i can see that.  but to get drunk and drive a car to put your life in danger is one thing.  then to knowingly put anothers life in danger?!?!?! how is that the least bit okay?

by trojan fan dan on Apr 12, 2007 12:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not a very serious person
  1. Drunk people are not the most logical people
  2. She may have been drunk as well (I don't know, but it seem s likely)
I was actually referring to something else, but since it would probably offend you (and a lot of other people as well) more, I won't mention it.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 12, 2007 4:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was definetly a mistake
But I don't think having a second person in the car makes it much worse for the above reasons.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 12, 2007 4:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

medlock
He only pled to DUI and the charges of hit and run were dropped after the cops determined taht he was trying to get help and not flee the scene. Certainly a bad situation that reflects poorly on the guy, but not as bad as it oringnally appeared.
 http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2006/apr/11/medlock-rejoins-football-progr/

by ucladj89 on Apr 12, 2007 7:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And
Sanchez was arrested, which suggests there may have been more to that particular accusation.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 10, 2007 6:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why it really matters...
I'm surprised that bruin fans care so much.

I think the thing that stands out most to us here is that a number of commentors over there go out of their way to take a shot at SC any chance they get. That is not what we do here. In the end I could care less about whatever infractions may happen across town, as it has nothing to do with what happens on the field. the rest is just minutia.

There is lot more going on than you may realize, and a lot of it behind the scenes.

That a whole fan base is criticized and held in contempt because of the actions of a few to me is beyond classless. Hate sells and there is a lot of it over there so business is booming. That's why traffic is up over there. I said it before and I'll say it again with a whole law firm over there I am amazed that when it comes to anything about SC that the "Facts" some how don't matter. It's more about conjecture and salacious headlines that what actually matters...sports. So to me it rings hollow. as the only message that gets out is one of hatred. It's their cross to bear not mine. I'll take less visitors and have civil discussions instead of a million visitors and a mob mentality any day of the week.

I'm cool with bruin fans coming here for some good-natured banter and opinion, as I'm less concerned about trash talk because the environment that I have tried to encourage is one of inclusiveness.  

As for the MSM well what can I say, like it or not SC is sexy and they will always be a part of the national discussion. I don't necessarily disagree with Nestor about the east coast bias but that's how it goes and pissing and moaning about only makes the fan base look worse and when coupled with the level of negative attitude over there it's easy to see why the MSM looks at some bruins fans as whiners. It's not right but that is how it is.

It was a great season for both teams and we are both proud of our respective teams and in the end that is all that should matter.

Thanks for coming by.

by Paragon SC on Apr 10, 2007 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My original post was about BN
The sexual assault thing was only an example of why UCLA people may think "SC is a bunch of scumbags, while we here at UCLA are the classiest, most law abiding citizens in the history of mankind." The main point of the post was the large crowd and the effect of flamers.

I also think the amount of "USC hate" is a function of the amount of people on BN, rather than the other way around.  If one person says something, others may respond.  I don't know of anyone who's there just to make fun of you guys.  Also, the amount of references to USC are exaggerated.  In the top news thread, there are two references to USC, one about Afflalo's game winning shot being an example of how he was a great player, and the other quoting Afflalo comparing the USC football team with the UCLA basketball team (in terms of media glitz).  On the top diary, where most USC bashing usually takes place, there are no references to USC.  There is one diary on there about USC, but it was written by a flamer.

"when it comes to anything about SC that the "Facts" some how don't matter"- I don't think this is true.  Matt Leinart illegally appeared in a commercial for ESPN, but there was no actual punishment.  That is a fact.  Dwayne Jarrett received free housing for a year.  He was told to pay the money back, but was deemed ineligible or suspended for any length of time.  That is a fact.  Reggie Bush took some many from multiple agents, had a house lended to his parents for less than the going rate by an agent, and had parents' trips to road games paid for by an agent.  So far there has been no punishment by the NCAA.  That is a fact.

Since my original post was directed at someone who was criticizing BN, I don't think the MSM's opinion of UCLA fans is relevant.  The poster I responded to said UCLA fans were negative.  My point about the MSM is that it's a lot easier to be positive about articles by people from cbssportsline.com when they don't call literally call your coach an a-hole.  To complain about negative posting compared to a USC site is stupid when the kind of press USC's football team gets is completely different from the kind of press UCLA basketball gets.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 10, 2007 7:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Context matters
Re: Leinart and the ESPN commercial. He had a microphone put in front of him and asked if he would make a bridging statement. It was off the cuff, unplanned, and uncompensated. That's why there was no punishment.

Re: Jarrett and rent. Jarrett didn't live rent free, he got a subsidy from Leinart's father for the difference between his housing allowance and half the rent. A narrow reading of the NCAA regs would call that an improper benefit, but the NCAA took into consideration that Jarrett and Leinart were friends and previously room-mates on campus, and that Jarrett was an established player at USC - it's not like this was an inducement to attend. Accordingly, they imposed the fine to redress the narrow issue, but recognized that it was a qualitatively different situation from a random booster signing rent checks.

Re: Bush and agents. It certainly looks bad, and the law suits will probably mean that there will be more documentation than usual for an NCAA investigation. But, until someone can prove that USC coaches or AD staff knew about what Bush was doing, there's no basis for punishing the program. IF the NCAA can prove it, then punishment would be merited. Until then it's case of assuming that punishment is required because there's smoke, so there must be a fire.

by DC Trojan on Apr 10, 2007 9:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again I'm Uninterested...
...because it really doesn't matter what I think.

These discussions are pointless. You want to defend BN that's fine, go ahead and knock yourself out. I know much more than I am willing to let on about in regards to the tone of the discussions over there. I am unwilling to go down that road, as I really don't care outside of my general observations.

But I will leave you with this, When the host tells someone to F*** off that is really all I need to know. For all the discussions of how classy bruins fans are that one short sentence tells me that class is in the eyes of the beholder.  For all the talk about the great John Wooden and his classy style it would seem to me that the best way to prove a fan bases level of class is to emulate the one figure head which is always pointed to as the face of the program. Weather I agree or disagree with a particular poster or comment I would never say that to someone for merely having an opinion. It doesn't matter if he/she is right or wrong or if its conjecture or fact, how you treat people goes a long way to building credibility in anything you do.

There is no level of education that can teach class, as it born of upbringing; that is what shocks me the most. Everyone here knows that I did not attend college and that I barely made it out of HS so in some peoples eyes I am insignificant but my upbringing instilled in me that regardless of how you may feel about a person they should always be treated with respect. I will always try to take the high road though I do make my mistakes, but my constant effort to be inclusive and respectful in the end will win out because in our present day society the old adage rings true..."if you can't love everybody, you won't sell anybody."

I think you are fooling yourself about the level of negative posts about SC but that's on you not me. I'm sure I could spend just a few minutes searching the archives for those types of stories and come up with more than a few to prove my point but that's pointless and I have better things to do with my time.

I have the utmost respect for the level of passion that they have for their program over there but when common decency goes out the window because you disagree with someone's opinion that price is too high for me to pay.

by Paragon SC on Apr 11, 2007 4:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Post by Nestor (Classy or not Classy? You pick)
A Simple Message for Pom Pom Pete:
GO FUCK YOURSELF you little piece of shit.

Stay the fuck away from our Coach:

The seating assignments at the 20th annual Cedars-Sinai Sports Spectacular fundraiser Sunday night at the Century Plaza had Pete Carroll sitting next to a Bruin. In some cases, putting a Trojan and a Bruin together might not be a good idea, but Carroll was thrilled because the Bruin was John Wooden.

Carroll, who regards Wooden as an inspiration because he enjoyed his greatest success late in his coaching career, was able to pick Wooden's brain.

"I had lots of questions," Carroll said. "One thing I asked him was, 'How much should you change from year to year?' He said, 'Your players change, but you don't.' "

Simply put Coach is a saint. That is why he will always be nice to a low life like Pom Pom, who are nothing more that pond scums of this earth. Yes Petie ... your players change, but you don't. You will always remain a scum sucking piece of shit who will keep reloading your football program with alleged sexual assaulters.

Just wait. Our day will come. Life as a UCLA football fan is insufferable. We have a horrible football coach with no vision, no plan, and no balls. But time will come, just like it is now in basketball, when we will have a coach, and we will resume our ways of owning those motherfucking Trojies like our backyard bitches, just like it was - when we were all in school.

Fuck Pom Pom.

Fuck SC. Fuck every single thing about that piece of shit school. Fuck them.

Go Bruins.

// posted by Nestor16

by frak on Apr 11, 2007 11:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People hate Carroll
I'm not going to defend that, but there is something about Carroll that is completely insufferable.  I hate him.  I admit it. It's not just his connection to USC, there's something about him as a person.  I don't know of anybody I hate more than him.  I'm glad I've never met him because I'm sure I would be in jail right now.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 12, 2007 12:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats an easy one...
There are a number of reasons why he drives people nuts.

Pete Carroll is a winner. His record at SC shows that. I couldn't care less about his records in the pro's as it has no bearing here. Winning is infectious and it his success has born the fruit of top recruits continually flocking to USC over the past 5 seasons to be a part of this incredible run.

Pete Carroll is affable. He is approachable on many levels and his positive attitude is infectious and people want to be around that. Have you ever seen anyone has as much fun on the sidelines as he did at this years Rose Bowl? Like I said infectious, people want to be around winners.

Pete Carroll is a player's coach. The saying is trite I know, but look at how he interacts with his players. They will literally go to war for him. You call him Pom Pom, fine but he is a cheerleader for his players and the players respond. I'll take that any day of the week in comparison to the bland coach across town.

I have said it before and I will say it again there are a lot of bruin fans that would kill to have Pete Carroll as coach because of his success. They may not say it but I know they think it. They also would put up some of the transgressions that SC has had the past few years in exchange for wins and national recognition. They may not admit it, as it's not politically correct but you would be surprised what people are willing to put up with in exchange for success, in essence they would hold their nose but accept the glory.

It's easy to hide behind the all the derogatory things that people feel about Pete Carroll when they lose on the field 3 out of the last 4 years, win the recruiting wars and literally take over the headlines in college sports but its also because he has made SC THE program in L.A. regardless of 13-9. You can't win them all and as hard as that loss was to take when it's taken as part of the whole package its palatable. UCLA outside of 13-9 has mostly been an afterthought in the world of CFB. If you had Pete Carroll coaching your team and winning those games you would see the world through a different set of lenses.

Guaranteed!

by Paragon SC on Apr 12, 2007 5:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pom Pom?
If Pete is Pom Pom.... and that's somehow embarrassing to USC.... then how do you guys explain the "towel waver".... come on.... that's just stupid... and I know several bruins who feel the same way.

by frak on Apr 12, 2007 12:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lol
"I'm glad I've never met him because I'm sure I would be in jail right now."

"there are a lot of bruin fans that would kill to have Pete Carroll"

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 12, 2007 5:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BN
I know that nestor doesnt reflect the average BN poster, but I will say that the blog is a reflection of the person that runs it.

by frak on Apr 12, 2007 12:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Footnote
I am positive that Coach Wooden, a man who abhors profanity, would be embarrassed and ashamed that his name is even included in this post.

by frak on Apr 12, 2007 12:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are an idiot Nestor
The Dallas Cowboys of the mid 90's had all those off the field problems, but does that make Jimmy Johnson a scumbag coach or bad human being?  The guy was a winner and every team envied him as well.  These athletes are grown men and are responsible for their own actions, so back off of Carroll.  I don't how long this dominance will last (59-6 record since 2002, 4 BCS Bowl victories, 2 National Championships) but I'm going to enjoy it to the fullest.  

And what's with all the hate for Tim Floyd?  The guy can coach, he comes from the Don Haskins/Hank Iba tree.  USC fans are smart enough to know that Howland is a good coach and I have tons of respect for him.  You guys are just afraid because he poses a threat to your glorious basketball program.  Unlike KD, who poses no threat to our prestigious football program.  I don't care if you guys beat us last season, a 6-6 team is not a threat to our greatness.  Whereas Floyd, who is sure to produce perennial 20+ win seasons, will be a force not only in the Pac-10, but in the nation.  Just ask Arkansas, Texas, and North Carolina how good our basketball program is looking.

Fight On!

USC Sports Talk, contributor http://uscsportstalk.blogspot.com

by mel kiper fan on Apr 13, 2007 4:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 national championship
USC is contractually tied to the Pac-10, which is contractually tied to the BCS.  Therefore USC recognizes the BCS as the national championship.

Either that or USC has won 3 NCs, since they have won 2 APs and a BCS.  Saying two NCs is completely inconsistent.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 13, 2007 7:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clarification
I think the correct way to look at it is that USC won 2 NC's.

One is a split NC with LSU, and the other is an undisputed NC.  The AP NC holds as much weight as the BCS in that 2003 season in my opinion.  Not to take anything away from LSU.  They deserve it as much as we did.  Too bad we couldnt settle things on the field that year.

You can split hairs all you want, but the simple facts are that whether one wins the AP, BCS, or both, most people consider that a  championship for that season.

The only people I heard complaining in 2003 were UCLA and LSU btw

by frak on Apr 13, 2007 9:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you know why they care
Because, as you said, they are beyond classless.  

Sure, our guys slip up and get caught every now and again, but the exact same kind of stuff happens at all major programs.  So, to point out SC's transgressions, which really aren't a big deal, is just what you say, ugly hate.  The 'ruins fans should just grow up and learn to play the game better if they want to get ahead.

by OC Phil on Apr 10, 2007 11:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Individually
They aren't that bad (Though it seems likely that Bush took a lot of money- yes I understand the lack of credibility of some of yahoo's sources).  But when you put ALL of them together (because these are just three that the LA Times mentioned several times- there are a few more than this) they become a bit more serious.

Also, insults directed at USC from ANY (ok, most)Bruin fan are not personal.  We all have friends who went to USC or are big fans of USC.  Pointing out USC's (or any school for that matter)transgressions is not hate or being classless, it is part of the normal fan experience, especially for college sports where many rivalries are only partly about sports.  

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 11, 2007 5:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With that admission...
... you just blew your chances of getting A LOT of free beer from members of the Trojan Family. But your honesty is commendable.

by DC Trojan on Apr 11, 2007 6:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed he was...
That whole episode was very strange. IIRC, the call to the police that sparked the arrest didn't come from the young lady in question, it came from her mother, a day or two after Sanchez was in his apartment with the young lady in question. There were questions from the beginning about how serious the accusation was, so I can see how nothing came of it. Arrests are not a guarantee of guilt of a crime.

Now if you want to tackle getting off the hook for something, the other charge was for using a fake id, and that was a lock. Apparently the LAPD just didn't care.

by DC Trojan on Apr 10, 2007 9:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep
It was strange.  From what I hear, the chick just had a few too many and regretted it in the morning, told her mom, and mom freaked out.

by Baker4SC on Apr 10, 2007 11:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah that was it.
There are other details, but you are essentially correct.  I don't believe that Sanchez or Dennis committed any rape.  The victim in the Dennis case was apparently drunk at the time she claimed she was assaulted.  A year after the accusation, the alleged victim claimed she now doesn't think she was raped.  So there you go.

I don't know any of the details in regards to Erick Wright.

As a USC fan I was deeply upset by the rape accusations swirling around our team the past 3 seasons.  After the dust has settled, and the details examined, it would seem that 2 of the 3 cases are unfounded in my view.

Also considering what happened to the Duke lacross team, I would think that people would take a little more care in branding an 18 year old youth a rapist.

Honestly I don't know whats more upsetting, the accusations when they first came out, or the people across town that still seem to believe that Dennis and Sanchez actually raped someone.

by frak on Apr 11, 2007 11:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
with the developments out of Durham yesterday it's easy to see how we could look at the Sanchez arrest with some skepticism.

Cops could arrest on the smallest of speculation.

idiot for putting himself in bad situation with the fake ID but not a rapist.

by Paragon SC on Apr 12, 2007 7:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My experience...
I grew up a basketball fanatic during the best basketball era ever (early to mid 90's), so I know all that it has to offer.  One of my fondest memories as a child was the day Tyus Edney drove coast-to-coast to hit the infamous lay-up for the win.  I remember emulating that shot everyday on the playground.  

Even with my deep respect for basketball, to me it will always take a backseat to college football (I hate NFL btw).  There is something truly deep and special about college football.  It goes beyond the game itself to the experience of tailgating with fans that span across multiple generations, the unique roar of 90,000+ fans, the dueling marching bands, the fight songs, etc.; it all seems to intertwine and elevate the passion and excitement to levels that are incomparable in American sports.  Towns shut down for certain regular season games and families divide during rivalry week; it's amazing to think that regular season games in college football are talked about for generations.  I'm sure UCLA students will talk about 13-9 for many years; I can't say the same about USC's victory over UCLA at the SA in 2006.  

I enjoyed watching SC basketball this past season and will continue to support the program, but it will never replace USC football in my heart.  I think you will hear the same from the overwhelming majority of Ohio State, Florida, Texas, LSU, etc. fans.  It's not a knock against basketball in anyway, it's just CF is different...

by AO on Apr 9, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it depends on what your expectations are..
I watched basketball for many years when I was growing up, I go back to the early seventies watching the Lakers and then being lucky to live in LA during the "Showtime" years. But something in me changed and the pro game started to disinterest me.

Upon moving to the DC area I was treated to some great games with Maryland, Georgetown and GW and while there was an energy to college game that I enjoyed the whole hip hop thing that took over the game at both levels turned me off pure and simple.  I continue to claim ignorance about the nuances of the game but I do know a little bit about it.

I enjoyed it this year because there something fresh about college basketball this season not just SC but the game as a whole. These kids are starting to bring back that energy that I remember from the past. Being here in the NYC area has given my fill of Big East and ACC hoops and it was fun to watch for the most part but now that I have this little hobby in CC I am more in tune with the Pac 10 and our style of play.

I don't know where USC Hoops is headed but it will fun to watch and I look forward to some great games with ucla regardless of whatever is said across town. An increased level of competition only serves us in the positive not the negative.

by Paragon SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've seen this before
I've been going to basketball games since the 80's.  SC has had some good teams in those years, but our problem has always been consistancy.  We have a couple of good seasons, then 5 crap years.  I am very wary about pinning a medal on Floyd's program until we are consistanly competitive in recruiting, as well as on the floor.

I don't think that basketball will ever be as important to the general USC populace as football, but when their is a good Trojan team on the court, people will come to see them.

The Galen Center might also have a lot to do with putting bodies in the seats.  I ponied up some bucks for a pair of the lifetime founder seats, and I believe that the bottom bowl of the arena is about 90% sold out.

Overall I think its a mixed bag.  There are some die-hard SC Hoops fans, and there are some fair-weather types.

by frak on Apr 9, 2007 8:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S.
As far as the competitive rival issue goes, I love the close games we had this year.  It hurts soooo  much more to have your team lose by 1 point than being blown out of the water by 20.  It makes for an exciting night when you are on the winning side of a 1 point victory.

Some people like a blow out, but I like the nervous feeling I get when there is less than a minute remaining and the game is still in doubt.

by frak on Apr 9, 2007 8:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paragon...
You can thank the 1-year rule for the new energy.  CB was actually worth watching this year for players like Oden and Durant.  The same will be said for Mayo, Love, Beasley, Rose, etc. next year.  

I would love to see them extend the rule to two years.  Imagine all of those players above playing in the same season.  Now THAT would be worth watching.  

by AO on Apr 10, 2007 12:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ucla Basketball
can we all agree that ucla basketball is going to have a really really tough time getting back to the final four without afflalo?  Collison can move the ball, but i doubt that shipp and mbah a moute can hold up the scoring and defense that afflalo provided.  And as for the question posed by superbruinman about accusations against USC football, we Trojans can ask the question how many ucla athletes can we name who have had trouble with the law.  One of my personal favorites is cade mcnown..and lets not forget the wonderful example that jaron rush set of how to be a "classy, law abiding citizen".  
Fight On SC and welcome to another 6-6 season ucla football.

by trojan fan dan on Apr 10, 2007 7:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
Especially since Pete Carroll is no longer USC's football coach, Bob Toledo and Steve Lavin are both still coaches at UCLA, and rape is really not a serious crime.

As for UCLA basketball, I heard that Kevin Love doesn't really exist.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 10, 2007 8:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm
"And as for the question posed by superbruinman about accusations against USC football, we Trojans can ask the question how many ucla athletes can we name who have had trouble with the law.  One of my personal favorites is cade mcnown"

This is definetly comparing Handicap permits to sexual assault.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 11, 2007 5:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess we read that differently
I took that pretty broadly, whereas you were focused more specifically earlier in the thread on sexual assault - so it would make sense that you read it differently than I did, and thus the disconnect.

I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that sexual assault is worse than parking shenanigans.

by DC Trojan on Apr 11, 2007 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ucla...where .500 football is our goal
You're right...he doesn't.  It's always nice to have your star returning, the core of your team.  And last time i looked, we've been the school winning championships in our bread and butter sport.  our secondary sport is on the rise and yours...well..florida st and wyoming were tough.  at least you can say you lost to elite level, quality teams in football.  

by trojan fan dan on Apr 10, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a few mentions
If you want to call out a bruin  criminal the closest thing they have to OJ Simpson is Darryl Henley.  He was busted smuggling large amounts of cocaine with his girlfriend.  When his girlfriend was set to testify against him, he tried to hire a hitman to murder her and the presiding judge at his trial.  Yeah he didn't kill anyone, but he was one evil SOB.  

All Cade McKnown did was park in handicapped spots that I'm aware of.

As far as the rape remark I would say this.  Rape is a very, very serious crime.... when it happens.  When it doesn't happen, and you are accused of it, it can ruin the life and reputation of an innocent man.  Ask Hershel Dennis what that's like.  I'm sure he'll tell you it sucks.

by frak on Apr 10, 2007 9:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trojan fan dan
The bruin basketball team is going to  be just fine next year.  I dont know if they will make it to a 3rd consecutive final four, but I believe that Kevin Love will make a big impact in is debut.  The NCAA basketball tournament is almost impossible to win with and consistancy because of the massive turn over that teams suffer.  What ucla has accomplished in the 3 seasons that Howland has led them is extremely impressive.

With that said, football at ucla is always going to be hindered by dorrell as long as he is there.  He is quite possibly  the most terrible coach in Los Angeles since Paul Hackett.  Paul Hackett being worse of course.  You know you coach sucks when your rival is excited when he gets a multi-year extension to his contract.

by frak on Apr 10, 2007 9:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup.
Losing Afflalo hurts, but as long as Afflalo is the only player who leaves, UCLA will be very strong next year. Kevin Love will be at least as good as Spencer Hawes was for Washington this year, and his passing is superior to Hawes. UCLA should score more and have a far stronger inside-outside game than in the past two seasons, plus UCLA is adding the LA player of the year, Chace Stanback. With these two new additions who should add a great deal offensively, coupled with another year for Collison to mature and the solid UCLA d, another trip to the Final Four is quite plausible.

And yeah, football at UCLA is hindered by Dorrell, a good man who should never have been given a major D-1 program as his first coaching gig. He is consistently mediocre. I felt the same way about Lavin when he took over from Harrick in basketball.

This was a fun year for basketball and somewhat fun for football. I agree with BruinFan1 that it's a lot more fun when both teams are good; winning is that much more sweet. Blowouts are always fun-but they should never be a staple of a rivalry. 13-9 was great, but we followed that up with a weak performance against FSU and the season as a whole can only be described as one of unmet expectations and missed opportunities.

Re all the USC allegations: DC has it about right. These are allegations, and nothing has been proven (referring specifically to the criminal charges.) Considering we have yet another example of how people can be screwed by false and malicious certain charges (I'm referring to the Duke lacrosse team "rape" charges), I am reluctant to trash anybody at all as a criminal on the basis of allegations alone, and to that extent I think some of the posters on BN and elsewhere are just wrong. But I do disagree with OC Phil-I don't see this as a situation where "everyone does it." If you are referring specifically to crimes, that simply isn't true. If it were true, the Fulmer Cup competition would be loaded with entries from 117 schools. I do believe that there may be some minor criminal activities that occur that get passed over or hushed up at various schools, but not the big crimes. Those show up regardless of which school has the criminal.

NCAA infractions, OTOH, occur all the time at every school. Some deserve serious punishment, others don't. Now, in USC's case, I think some of the infractions that have occurred over the past few years warrant more serious punishment than has been given, But that complaint is not properly directed at USC, it is properly directed at the NCAA. So why should I blast USC for the NCAA not doing what I think it should do?

Finally, re BN and the tone of the posts: Sometimes the vitriol is too acidic for me. But  this is the blogosphere, and if someone doesn't care for the tone they are under no obligation to engage with it or read it. I like the way Paragon runs his site (although he did check me recently on a joking response I made on a grammatical error that was quite tame, IMHO) and I respect his desire to keep things civil. It is fun engaging with you guys over here since the tone is civil.      

by ucladj89 on Apr 11, 2007 2:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

opting out
You're quite right about opting out of reading other  blogs. I'm down to about a once-a-month scan of whatever's top of the page at BN, and that has done wonders for my peace of mind... ;)

by DC Trojan on Apr 11, 2007 6:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of UCLA....
Has anyone seen the UCLA Dynasty feature playing on HBO?  I saw it a couple weeks ago.  It showed the good and bad side of things that came with a program in the spotlight.  Coach Wooden was and still is very much a part of the lives of those players as Bill Walton explained in the documentary.  It was very educational.  

 

by uscfootballfandotcom on Apr 11, 2007 8:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw it
Yeah it was a good program.  HBO celebrated that special time.  I liked the photo of Lew Alcindor at graduation, towering above the rest of the class.  

HBO gave those bruin teams their just praise, but were also fair enough to not exclude Sam Gilbert's influence on the program.  Overall the program was a celebration of the accomplishments of a great coach and some of the greatest basketball teams in college b-ball history.

by frak on Apr 11, 2007 9:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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