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The USC Facebook Controversy

As I promised over the weekend I wanted to address this situation a little more closely than just a quick blurb in a diary.

It's unfortunate that the USC players involved in the Facebook issue don't seem to understand that this sort of "joke" will never be acceptable in today's society. I not only personally find their actions offensive and repulsive but detrimental not just to the football team but to USC as a whole. As players they do have a responsibility to represent the school in a positive light. But it isn't just about the school or the football team its about society in general. Society will never move forward if we continue to see these sorts of actions.

People who want to scoff and say that I, among others, are being too Politically Correct, are missing the point, they are entitled to their opinion. Others will scream that they, the players involved, should be allotted their fair share of free speech. Fine, but as I have said before the right to free speech does not necessarily mean that you have a right to silence, sometimes you need to stand up and be accountable for your actions. Am I disappointed that the school didn't do more, sure, but that's not my business. My disgust at this "joke" is that an African-American Coach not only allowed it, but also suggested it in the first place, talk about taking two steps back. Surely there was some other name that he could have called that group of players other than "White Nation". I realize that the conflict in the Middle East is a touchy subject but a military term would have been a whole lot easier to explain than what was used.

All this does is bring more off-field controversy to USC. With the Bush issue still unresolved and numerous brushes with the law over the last few seasons it's disappointing that a tougher stance wasn't taken. Maybe I've missed it but I haven't heard a single African-American player openly call these guys out and to me that says something, either it is no big deal to them or it's going on behind the scenes where we won't here about it. You can't tell me that Mike Garrett was pleased to see this on the Internet but again maybe there is something going on behind the scenes. It's not up to me or my place to demand that action be taken against those involved, I will simply say that I am disappointed at these actions and hope that something be done about it but that is as far as I will go.

I will never be a mouthpiece for the school as some have suggested, and yes it was those guys. This is a sports blog and if it involves the players then it is fair game to be discussed but I will address it in the way I see fit. Other sites or blogs can address it the way they see fit as well. I have taken Pete Carroll and some players to task for their actions or lack there of, so I will by no means give them a pass on this one, joke or not. While being repulsive, if this situation had not involved a player it hardly would have been noticed and I surely would not have given it a second thought. I am only concerned about USC athletics if others want to carry the torch for the wronged please, by all means, be my guest.

I'm not interested in discussing the "outrage" that others feel, it's enough for me to publicly call the out this bad behavior as a fan of this school and athletic program. If people want to light their hair on fire over it that's fine and it's none of my business but in the end, to me, it only matters what I think as I have no control over the thought processes of others, whether they are close to me or not. Each of us as individuals can say and think what we feel so I will in no way attempt to push my views upon others. If others want to stoke the fires of controversy I say knock your self out but on this issue I have said my piece.

My views on this issue are born of many life experiences that I have had within the military and my current profession, which is what I have done since leaving the Navy. I have been blessed to experience many different people and cultures throughout my adult life. But while those experiences have shaped my life they are not the foundation of why I think this behavior is repulsive. Those reasons are mine and mine alone; some reasons are obvious others are not.

Others are welcome to think what they want.

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it's all context...
The best impartial analysis I've read is EDSBS' masterful writeup:

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=3202

Personally, I am of the school of thought that the main issue here is making the Facebook group public (there is an option when making groups to make it so only members can view it, making it a "private" group).

The issue besides that is all dependent upon if you think there should be things that should never be joked about.  Football teams are crude, crude environments where literally nothing is out of bounds for joking purposes (see: LenDale's fake suicide attempt last year; a friend of mine on the football team last year relayed some of the standard banter at practices to me, stuff that would make a sailor blush).

If you think that is wrong and shouldn't happen, that's your opinion, which you're entitled to, but I would hazard a guess that it's the norm for that type of environment.  I know I have certain friends that I can joke around with about things I would not ever tell my mother.  Is it wrong?  I don't know, maybe.  Maybe it's just context.

Is it alright for me to joke about (insert qualifier)s with my (insert qualifier) friend if we both are cool with it and find it funny?  I really don't know.  Going further into that delves into a much different debate that probably would be better suited to a different forum than a sports blog.  That's not the main point, in my mind.

I think the main point is that these guys ripped a provocative inside joke out of context, and made it available for anyone to see.  

The lesson I would take away from this would be to keep warehouse talk in the warehouse.

by Expo Park on Mar 13, 2007 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Must...have...outrage...
I tend to agree with the EDSBS take and Expo Park's lesson learned. I think that these crazy kids today don't really think about the consequences of putting something online and in the public eye - not like us anonymous old-timers ; )

And FWIW, my experience of working in "multi-cultural" teams (whether ethnicity, national origin, whatever) is that they work best when you can either joke in an entirely inappropriate manner, or it's never treated as something to discuss. Generally, option 2 is the safer one, because you never know when someone's going to cross the line - and frankly, most of the people I work with aren't that funny.

by DC Trojan on Mar 13, 2007 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Not trying to make light of this
Having thought about the above comment, I want to be clearer that I am not making light of this episode. There's a big difference between situational group dynamics and using hugely loaded imagery in a public context. I don't object to the former, I object strongly to the latter, especially when it brings disrepute on the university.

by DC Trojan on Mar 13, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think its blown severely out of proportion
Since I know some of those guys (or know them second hand), I can honestly say that they are not racist.  Otherwise, a very diverse football team wouldn't be getting along very well.

As for those who say its a case study of 'SC's despicable behavior, my response is to look at one of our rivals websites for a case study of theirs.

At least our athletes apologized and took responsibility for their actions.  Our rivals don't even realize how truly despicable and hateful they act.

Fight on!!! Beat the Vandals!!!

by USCLink on Mar 13, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

The SC PR Dept is earning their money
Yeah, it was all a joke.  I get it.  But serious or no, swastikas are just over the line.  I mean, I don't buy the excuse that they're kids, etc.  Anyone who thinks a swastika and that sort of racial nonsense is funny needs a serious dose of common sense.

And that's the bottom line.  I don't think the kids involved were racists, nazis, or anything like that, but there is a point where stupid is simply not an excuse.  It's great that they apologized, and hopefully that will be the end of it.

But man, is your PR department busy with damage control!  You guys are having almost a bad a year as the Bushies!

Go Bears

by SoCal Oski on Mar 14, 2007 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

It's the football off-season...
...which is the peak season for damage control, if last year is anything to go by!

by DC Trojan on Mar 14, 2007 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Parallels
I don't agree with Paragon that a tougher stance should have been taken by the university.  The reason Paragon hasn't heard a single African-American "call these guys out" is because no one on the team thinks this is a big deal.  The white players in question room with black players, eat with black players, go to class with black players, practice with black players, and play games with black players.  The black players understood the nature of the jest as social commentary sparked by their given nickname.  It seems to me that those hurt the most by the facebook profile were overly sensitive soriety girls and - I'll say it - politically correct zealots.

I too was in the military which is one of the most diverse "organizations" in the United States.  Throughout my time in the Army, I served with soldiers from numerous countries of origin, different races, women and male.  We joked about race.  There were limits of course, but the joking added to the cohesiveness of our team and aided in mission accomplishment.  This is no different from any team, including a football team.  

I do think that publishing those thoughts on facebook was not the right decision to make.  It allowed unnecessary public scrutiny on a private joke.  However, the players publically apologized.  To punish them further would take their commentary out of context for the sake of punishment and the advancement of "tolerance."  Let's leave type of discipline to our Comrades by the Bay.

by JAM on Mar 14, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

On a practical note...
The origin of the joke was known by at least one coach (McNair). On those grounds, it's hard for the university to get medieval on players for anything other than the Facebook part. And you could argue - if you wanted to make certain people's head explode - that in fact if a coach knew about the joke and chose not to intervene, then the decision had already been taken.

by DC Trojan on Mar 14, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great points all around
As individuals we all have to look at different issues through our own eyes. I think it's a big deal but my activist days are over so while I've said my piece that's all I plan to do. Others have ridiculed me elsewhere for not calling out the coach or AD or whomever.

Not Happening!

Those who want to get on a soapbox and preach that I haven't called people out hard enough or that I'm looking the other way only paint a rosy picture about USC either have issues with their own self worth or take themselves way too seriously. I mean why should they care? Maybe it's from days gone by when their voices may have mattered, whatever, who knows and who cares! I'll let the professional whiners and complainers do that, I've said my piece and I'm moving on. If they want to change the world I say knock your self out but my little corner of it is just fine. It's enough for me to say that I am disappointed and would expect better from our players and I would hope that the school would at least let their feelings be known but that is not up to me.

JAM makes the point above: "The reason Paragon hasn't heard a single African-American "call these guys out" is because no one on the team thinks this is a big deal."

That's probably the reason that there has been so little commenting on this thread. That's cool with me. I certainly won't bury my head in the sand, as I have been more than critical on the issues that have befallen SC over the past couple of seasons.

If the players are fine with it then my opinion doesn't matter and neither does anyone else's. People, including me, go half-cocked and work themselves into a tizzy and that gets us nowhere. I have learned that all this feigned outrage is more about garnering attention and trying to take the moral high ground than actually doing something about it. These people need to get over themselves and stop taking themselves so seriously.

Moving on...

by Paragon SC on Mar 14, 2007 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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